Ok but i get its more fun, but you cant sit here and tell us that playing the game while making poor choises and resulting in making the content harder for your self means its actually hard.
Its not hard if you do it slow lol.
Also if you do it as blood, its a cake walk.
a lot of healers don’t really like healing tanks
Because in DF i litearlly did not need my healer, they were just there to keep the dps alive when they were doing stupid things.
ok lets clear this up, i never said it was hard, but I also don’t think m0 is hard
i was just saying some classes do have it harder than others depending on defensives and whatnot
And this is the issue with not needing to run keys, people don’t get this exposure by default and not many will go back to low keys for this reason, they see their iLVL being 610+ and just assume they have the right to jump into high keys.
We’ve all seen the posts, “High iLVL not being accepted to keys”, some people just don’t care about anything but their own little bubble world and by removing the need for low keys it will only get worse, because now we are going to have to decide between a 200 rated or a 500 rated player for an M9+ knowing either one is a garbage choice.
I’ve been here for 20 years and the only friends list I have are guildies, or ex guildies. I’ve tried adding people to my friends list, but then I forget who is who, or why I added them, and have even at times invited people but had to remove them for reasons.
There is a reason why Blizzard added the LFG system to how it is now, but what they have done certainly does not help.
RIght, but what we are trying to tell you is, they dont. They dont have a harder time if they are putting in any amount of thought to doing a T8 delve.
T8 delves are so incredibly easy to do on any class, if you use even a bit of strategy or effort into it.
The hardest class i can think of to do it on, would be maybe priest or mage? Simpley because priest has low mobility, and mage can be squishy but even then priests make up for it for healing, and mages can CC like a monster.
Part of the problem is there weren’t many who farmed M+16 in DF which are now labeled M+6. So the number really haven’t changed for that difficulty, its just a massive number of players that use to run M0-9 no longer run mythics.
shadow healing is kind of eh honestly
but really if you die in an M0 its probably the same reason you die in a t8 delve, not interupting, not moving out of something, etc
You said the literal words “its tough for clothies”
Delve 8 and M0 are not in the same universe of difficulty.
That or are trying to flood into modern level mythic and upsetting the entire ecosystem by causing a lot more bricked keys.
PvP been around since day 1. M+ came out when ion realized that for players who don’t have skills for raids or PvP they could run five man scripted content and shower them with easy loot gains. Enter the token. Pay to win m+
they’re both extremely easy
and i should have said “tougher” not tough
no…no not at all lol.
M0 hits monumentally harder with everything in a T8.
The only time oyu die in a T8 is from an over pull, standing in the bad, or not interrupting.
M0 just dumped out a lot of damage, which honestly its a bad comparison because M0 does not even give champ gear.
Difficulty even in M0 is reliant on your team as well, if they screw up, it can kill you.
things hit harder, but you have a full group, and no unavoidable dmg is going to kill you
Ok lets not be disingenuous here and pretend that the token is not also used for pay to win content in PvP and Raiding as well.
Maybe, but it let people see the mechanics without having to do them so when they needed to do them they could step back and realise what happened. Low keys how they were, they were definitely a good thing, not just for mechanics, but also because it let people feel like they had somewhere to progress.
Now you just spam delves and call it a day 2 weeks into the expansion, I doubt anyone can honestly say that’s a good thing without arguing “Mah iLVL has never been higher”. Great, but what do we all do now?
Every single person who has spammed delves to 610+ is 100% going to have to jump into M9, heroic last 2 boss, or mythic raid to progress and anyone who has not done normal raid or low keys is going to struggle without some sort of prior experience in the lower difficulties.
You could buy gear and make WoW P2W even back then, there were illegit gold selling sites like Susan Express, long before token existed.
There was a whole story of a rogue that was decked out, in Vanilla.
One day, suddenly they logged in and were playing terribly- a player bought the account from the original owner, and everyone soon found out lol. They got banned.
You could always make WoW a P2W game, if you really wanted to, and as long as people are willing to pay for it.
Just would make it feel hollow to me, personally.
Yeah, mounts and titles are cool n’ all, but they don’t mean much if the player that has them doesn’t actually have the skill to back it up.
They were meant to be trophies of skill, but don’t anymore since people buy carries so often.
Sure but it’s way harder. And how long does a dungeon take? So easy to round up 4 carry players. Raids and PvP not so much. Go to trade…:.how many people selling PvP Carrie’s vs m+ Carrie’s
What…
What…
Have you don’t mythic recently?
They litearlly just had to nerf/fix the machine speakers in Stonevault becuase their abilities would overlap and kill groups because of unavoidable damage.
The current affix can LITERALLY spawn in the water on the last boss of siege resulting in the squid being unkillable.
The crystal boss in Stonevault can kill people.
Have you been doing M+ at all this season?
Ehhh, health values were low enough that this was not always the case.
Until you got to +10 fort, it wasn’t uncommon for trash to be dead before they actually did anything.