Holy mother of sheep shat Kelliste…i figured it out! You work in customer service! Yes! Yes now i see! You have actually been trained by your employer to talk in circles to drive customers insane. They give up when bringing a defective product back to the store for a refund when they have to listen to you talk on and on repeating the same sentences, using a few different words, making the same point every single time that they are in the wrong. Lol i got your number now keffer!!!
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And you are doing what exactly? Attacking people on the forums… nice job.
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Your point? You have all that time to just constantly call people out, flag people, but not enough time to provide anything to the discussion. You arent helping your case any.
Just attacking you. And youre wrong about the versa vs mastery. 20% versatility is a flat 20% damage increase all across the board. Also increased the death strike healing and damage. Also increased death siphon damage and healing. Also increased healing given to you by other players. And a flat 10% damage reduction from all sources. So now you understand a little bit about how versatility works yes? Good. Now lets go back in time when 2 handed frost was still alive. Lets say you were getting ganked or swarmed by mobs-Hordies. So you switch to blood presence for 20% armor and stamina increase (cant remember precise numbers here) so larger health pool, more physical resistance due to increased armor, and since youre in frost spec your mastery aint gonna help the power of death siphon healing because its shadow based, and DW frosties had to stay away from blood presence because it puts a damper on the runic power you rely on. Tons of damage reduction healing increased and larger health pool. You just strong armed your way through the angry mob. Now tell me again that this is all bs and its wrong and was never intended? Tell me the right thing to do was to remove 2 handed frost because it was just flavor of the month and i cant do math on stats. I havent played a dk since 2 hand frost was killed. I diced up a lot of DWers and gladiator prot warriors and both were like “duh how did you do that? 2 hand isnt viable” lol. So yet again this thread was created for the WANT for 2 handed frost to return. Youll never convince me frost is where it needs to be right now.
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… you accused someone of attacking people on the forums after you yourself attacked people on the forums… and admitted to it… and then continued to do it…
Not even going to go into the claim that I am not providing anything for the discussion. You are just aimlessly trolling at this point. You lost the argument over 2H Frost the moment you started it. I don’t know why you’re even still in this thread.
Death Siphon did Shadowfrost damage, but 2H Frost was best used with Conversion so that the channeled Runic Power usage would frequently proc Runic Empowerment and allow for more Obliterates, which further extended Conversion ticks. It was an awesome cycle, and this was after Conversion’s cost got increased from 5 to 15 RP/second. And at that point, I believe we still had the choice of Runic Empowerment and Runic Corruption as talent choices.
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Death siphon did do shadowfrost damage. Maybe i liked it because frost always had 2 death runes on standby. Dangit i hate being wrong.
I wasnt wrong about the versa vs mastery thing. Go back and read what I said. I said that they scaled differently. Not that 20% versa didnt mean 20% damage increase, it means the rate at which you get 1% is different than another stat. So for example lets just take crit and haste since everyone knows about them and they have lasted the longest. Lets just say that to get 1% haste you need 100 haste rating, and to get 1% crit you need 85 crit rating, that means that crit scales better than haste since you get more value per point of crit than you do haste.
This is some base level stuff and it completely went over your head. Versa was a flat buff but, just from your post, look at how much it did. There is no way they are going to let it scale that well when it does so many things.
You are looking at things as strictly PvP which sorry to say but WoW really isnt a PvP game and it hasnt been for a long time. PvE was never a problem in WoD and being in Frost Presence. If you had to switch to Blood to kill some mobs then there was more going on.
I also never said that 2h shouldnt come back, I just said not in the manner that you guys want it too because it creates a balance nightmare. I never said that Frost was in a good spot right now either, looking at how many people play it in certain areas, its the lowest in the game. The design of it isnt good at all, but a lot of class design isnt good and a lot of people left BFA because of it along with a lot of other things like having to regrind what you just unlocked on a piece of gear because you got another piece with a slightly higher ilvl. Or the fact that Warfronts completely negated all dungeons except for M+ and now that there is H Warfronts it looks like they drop the same ilvl as M+ 7ish gear.
I killed a lot of people with Blood in Cata due to vengeance and the 1 talent that boosted Death Strike damage through the roof and you didnt really need to get any specific stats at that time because it was so overpowered. I think it was a 45% increase to Death Strike damage and healing, possibly even crit strike. It was so long ago that I cant remember. You would let people hit you to build up vengeance and that was it. The best thing to do was to ignore the Blood Dk which a lot of people didnt or if you were stalling, they had no choice but to fight. Even in PvE you would just pull a bunch of stuff and AoE everything down and using Death Strike on high priority targets, in TB you could just round up a lot of enemies out in the questing area and just kill the opposing faction with high vengeance. It was fun to play, but not fun to play against unless you could cc them long enough to kill them.
2h, did have a lot of people complain about it in terms of PvP, mages being the primary people because the damage was so high that they couldnt do anything about it. There was enough in the DK tool kit to just completely run over a mage. Low armor so Obliterate did even more, death grip for blink, and AMS for their cc. They were the first complaining about it even in Beta.
I have however stated many times that 2h could come back and it wouldnt have any impact on me. The best course of action would be to have a playstyle that everyone liked, combine Fallen Crusader and Razorice and I would say at this point get rid of KM. In Legion it changed from chance on auto attacks to a chance on auto attack crits, meaning you had to build crit to get access to an ability to give a guaranteed crit. Outside of certain talents it serves no real purpose.
Im just glad you boys are still fighting eachother over a 2 hander lol its cute
Yes yes. Ive had enough for today. Gonna drink some beer. Kelliste have a good evening peace#
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Lost the argument… what argument? The fact that I said 2h could come back and gave a scenario where it could, that its actually a playstyle problem? That DW performed better (which it did)?
There wasnt an argument until YOU felt like you were being attacked or whatever you said about 30 posts ago. Then other people jumped on because YOU took things out of context and since you are a 2h supporter, those people just jumped on the band wagon as well because birds of a feather flock together and if you are in the middle, like me, you are screwed.
Oh, and look, they said they were just attacking me, shouldnt the high and mighty TrumpKnight flag them too? Personally I dont care if people want to throw attacks at me… what am I supposed to care what some random no-faces say about me on a game? Also, I wasnt “just” attacking them like you want it to sound like. I actually responded to the attacks and provided stuff in game.
You have just flagged and said “wrong” over and over. I guess at this point you should flag McWhiskey since they did the exact same thing that you are claiming I did. Do you not apply things across the board? How about Dreadmoore? Are you going to flag him for calling me a liar over and over just to attack me or are you going to ignore his violations like McWhiskey because they are 2h supporters and on your side?
Personally I dont think anyone should be flagged. If you cant adult then what is going to happen when you get into the real world and not the online forums with no-names and no-faces interacting with each other?
You have a good night too.
You guys dont know how happy i am to see 314 posts on this subject . somebody has got to be lookin at this!
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Lol it was good for Highmaul and that’s it. By the time BRF was out, DW was already equal or better.
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Two-by-one handing is the best handing for Death Knights.
Let Unholy be the ones for Duel Wielding.
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May this thread finally rest in partially hydrogenated pizza bites. Or at least until somebody stirs the pot again.
It’s time to stop asking for 2 H Frost. It’s dead and buried.
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Why unholy? All because of a bug that allowed Sudden Doom to proc on offhands that was fixed within like a week?
Frost has always been the DW spec dating all the way back into Wrath before LFD was a thing. But for some reason people want to make it unholy, or blood, remove DW from frost entirely… why?
There is no argument other than “i dont like it for frost” which isnt even really an argument. If it was held in lore, or DW just suddenly popped up for no reason then maybe people would have an argument but not liking something is not a good enough reason.
Demo locks have more to stand on for getting meta back than 2h frost dk’s have for moving DW to unholy and they arent getting meta back any time soon if ever at all.
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No. It’s time to bring it up in every single thread, in every single post.
Your post does nothing but inspire me to post about it more. 2H Frost was always objectively superior until Legion. Your lies won’t change that fact. We deserve 2H Frost back. Dualwield is for rogues. Go play a rogue.
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That’s called spam, and a bannable offense.
Four years of you spreading this lie doesn’t make it true.
Dual-wield has been for Frost since 2008. RIP your headcanon.
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