Just wanted to point out the wod obliterate buff. That 25% is the 12.5% damage increase from blood plague and the 12.5% damage increase from frost fever that was baked in to make obliterate hit for full damage without diseases up. Smartest thing they ever did because it gave you 2 more runes for an additional obliterate lol
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itd be cool to return to that and do yall think its time for 3 deseases while unholy has 4
I want the old UH back. Walking Pestilence feel.
As for 2h Frost. I have been tweeting Holinka just about every day in hopes it will return. But DKs in general need more than just 2h back. They need a rehaul mechanically with a lot of mechanics imo
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If there was one reply to upvote in this whole thread, this’d be it.
I could not care less about all this historical back and forth that some people are engaging in. I don’t even bother reading any of Kelliste’s walls of texts anymore.
The matter is simple. An overwhelming number of people in the community (myself included) want to be able to play their DKs (in any spec) with a 2H weapon. Because that’s fun and thematically appropriate. Blizz’s responsibility is to provide that.
Bring back 2H Frost Blizz and don’t ever remove 2H as an option for any DK spec again!
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I second both sentiments.
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But you rather read people giving out false information… makes sense.
The walls of texts were because people kept twisting words all the time and I would continually have to correct it.
I don’t think people are twisting words, they just view the game differently and have slightly different priorities than you do when it comes to the future of Frost. But your point is also valid and I am happy to hear that you support 2H Frost!
Lets all call for Frost to be improved as a spec and 2H frost to be added as an option
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Except for me, Whos done harder content than you or Kelliste could ever dream of. Im also going to mention that 2 handed would be significantly easier to tune than duel wield for frost and would be significantly better for frost overall than duel wield was. Itd be one less piece of gear to farm
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You´re not wrong, but also both…you want to make dk great again then do both, nothing less than that
So, just to make clear here if blizzard come to see this thread
the only 2 people who don’t want 2H back, who are commenting lately are literally one person who play unholy and not frost, and the other who don’t play DK at all, and just have one with ilv lower than the WQ
they kinda speak for themselves.
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Yep. Self admitted by them, too. I even have screenshots.
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To be fair, i have a quote up a ways of Kelliste saying they would be fine if blizzard introduced 2h right now. They just prefer the spec gets fixed first. Which i understandable.
We just need to stop trying to prove X over Y from the past and stick on topic about wanting 2h frost back. Mods have already closed down threads for devolving into name calling. Lets keep that from happening again folks.
Edit: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/please-dont-bring-back-2h-frost/351921/387?u=rhamnousia-stormrage different thread
Personal opinion here is mechanical overhaul of the class and spec. Buff might help at end game and level cap. Big issue is all the abilities lost due to the prune. The dk starting zone is absolute crap to play thru now because of downtime. I am on board with this level squish. The frost spec doesnt flow. But really all the specs feel clunky to me now. Remember spamming icy touch 4 times first leveling your frost dk? Firing off death coils and using an occasional (gasp) blood strike or plague strike? Switch presence for armor/stamina boost rp generation boost unholy for speed boost? Glyphed Blood boiling everything? Im pissed that we lost 2 handed play. But even worse is everything weve lost that i would consider as class identity being scrapped and replaced with what we have now. A damage buff is what they kept using to fix 2 hand in the first place and eventually they just killed it. So maybe dw frost is on the chopping block now? I firmly believe dw has a place in the class. Specifically for the players that want to play as a dw dk. But i dont think it should be the only available option to frost. Frost needs an overhaul in a big way. Currently i wouldnt want to use a 2 hander the way the spec is now it wouldnt be fun or engaging to play at all. My opinion though. Not getting on your case here at all. This is just something im passionate about and just want it fixed. Peace.
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Werent you saying mastery didnt really do anything for frost a few weeks back?
You dont use razorice as a 2 handed frost dk. Never ever since the creation of the first hero class was that a go to option…ever. So of course razorice wouldnt make any sense for a 2 hander now lol probably just use deathstrike as an rp dump before you even ask “what about frost strike?” Id use fallen crusader or the new and improved stoneskin gargoyle for flat 5% stat boost.
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Kelliste. I have to ask. Are you a blizzard employee? Were you at the round table when the vote was passed to kill 2 hand frost? Every forum i see you defending the poor decision that was made to remove it. This current iteration of DW frost…is this your baby?? In jesus’ name i command you to identify yourself demon! Who do you work for!!!
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“I don’t like your opinion, so you must be part of the big, bad corporation that took my thing from me! How dare you agree with them! It’s obviously a conspiracy, you fiend!”
This baseless accusation has already been made at dissenters multiple times. It’s dumb, and unoriginal. It’s apparently that inconceivable that some people have a differing opinion.
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I think its just a joke man.
Anyone who actually believes anone who thinks differently is apart of a cooperation has mental issues. It was said as a joke and it was very apparent in its delivery.
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You call it a joke, I call it detraction. I would like to think they don’t mean it literally, though others have already expressed they do previously. Serious or not, it has literally no bearing on the discussion, and just serves as a way to easily dismiss opinions without actually dealing in said discussion. It’s an attack on character, poorly represented at that, and nothing else.
I agree. Really like 3/4 the what has been said has no bearing on the conversation lol