MoP was the most balanced all of the classes (except shaman) have ever been. Ever. You could fight any class and have a reasonable expectation of killing them as long as you understood your class, and understood theirs. The changes during MoP lasted… hell, I don’t remember, a year and a half? Of excellent PVP.
If you just count where it says there is a damage nerf then yes. But there are more information in that list. There are changes between expansions that aren’t listed as a nerf or buff but if you follow the information there are nerfs and buffs, an ability that can’t be dodged parried or blocked now able to be dodged parried or blocked is also a nerf since you won’t be hitting with the ability as much, right?
Obliterate had one nerf with the rest being buffs though, right? So the other 2 people saying it was nerfed are lying. This is what people like me have been dealing with, they keep saying stuff is factually true but the information that is actually out there goes against what they are saying.
This ability can now be dodged, parried, or blocked. Weapon damage bonus reduced to 55%, down from 60%.
Second nerf.
Now replaces Blood Strike. Weapon damage reduced from 130% to 105%, and bonus damage removed. Runic Power cost reduced from 40 to 35.
The only thing that could possibly be counted as a third was this hotfix.
Now deals 10% less damage against another player.
Which was a few months after
Damage has been increased by 10%.
So I’m more inclined to believe that was a buff intended for PvE, and they did not realize it would affect PvP so they “nerfed” it after a bit. Though I guess technically that would count as a third.
I have no idea what you’re on about as far as there being “more information in that list”. If you have something that for some reason isn’t included in the list, link it.
I should add, if we’re including the hotfix as a nerf, then Obliterate was nerfed twice as well.
EDIT: Thrice actually.
The buff was necessary to achieve the most balanced class equilibrium ever in MoP.
The Lion’s Share of Obliterate’s buffs, however, came from the era of trying to (and then later literally) enforce(ing) dual wield and how Obliterate worked with fast swing speed mechanics.
I’ve said it time and again: Obliterate hits harder the slower your weapon is. Of course they have to buff it when you’re swinging lightning fast baby swords.
Did you notice theweapon damage differences between expansions? At the end of WoD frost strike was doing, over 230% weapon damage since I don’t feel like doing all the math adding all the damage increases so I am taking the 115% weapon damage increasing that by 100% which would make it 230% and then saying it’s over that with the other buffs. In Legion it started at 88% weapon damage, that is a difference of around 150% weapon damage. Its another nerf, granted that nerf was overshadowed by the around 420% weapon damage buff putting it to 500% weapon damage. You can do this with obliterate too, but I was told it’s not important so I didn’t.
Pvp nerfs, your buddy told me those weren’t important. Oh and what about the rest of it? All pvp buffs was it?
Plus, in case you didn’t know, all those buffs were for DW as well because they both used the same abilities. Those frost strike nerfs and buffs were also for 2h. These abilities weren’t exclusive to each weapon set.
With Lichborne yes. If you need that much healing however, friend some better healers. But again, not in pve. Sooo you are talking about some very niche scenario where you have no healers… oh yeah wpvp, which is dead and isnt balanced around. Right what was I thinking.
It hasnt been balanced around world pvp except maybe for classic. They are not going to balance around wpvp and ruin the rest of the game for 20 people.
When I counted the nerfs to Frost Strike, you completely wrote all of them off so that it would look like only the buffs were important to suit your argument. I on the other hand listed its buffs and nerfs as well as the buffs and nerfs to Obliterate that your friend refuses to say, even after posting, that it was buffed continually more than Frost Strike.