I’m not being negative about them but they did detract from social interactions that benefitted a MMO.
But i do think it was fair they brought them in as enchanting was the only prof not able to AH most of their wares.
You literally proved my entire point with this single post.
And you lead it off with ‘you neglect the fact’
If you are married, don’t get into arguments with your wife. She will rip you in half. Or more likely you’ll rip yourself in half like you just did
may as well say the AH was a negative as a whole as it took away from social interactions - go back to the classic EQ method of EC tunnel.
anyway vellums didn’t stop you from hitting up your favorite enchanter, just gave them more opportunity to turn some coin.
was really a net benefit to everyone as it eliminated the risk.
no other profession required you to blindly trust all your materials to someone in the hope they’d do what they said they’d do for you knowing you had no real recourse.
no other profession required you to sit in main hubs spamming trade to try make some money.
Your point was that the mere existence of the token changes playstyle to encourage farming by all parties, leading to an overall increase in the amount of gold being created. Nothing ive said supports that point of view. No examples ive given have indicated that to be the case. In fact, ive blatantly said that i do not farm gold because there is little for me to spend it on (aside from ore, which i do buy).
Quotes are for citations from the beginning of this mess just as a reference of why i disagree with you.
The fact that there was potential for people to steal your mats in the first place is kind of a huge bonus point for vellum.
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I’ve never had my materials stolen because the people that did ended up with no buisness and a dead profession. I’m sure it happened but those people shot themselves in the foot for an incredibly short term gain.
Vellums were put into the game to give enchanters the option of selling their wares when not logged on, The theft reduction aspect was a bonus.
Which those quotes are correct. The incentive to do it is there. Just because you don’t do anything differently most of the time doesn’t mean then incentive is there. I think you’re getting confused and you don’t know what incentive means.
You can’t see how childish your posts have been? We’ve read the points you have been repeatedly making. Got it. Why continue to argue with one or two people, and make petty insults? It weakens your position, it doesn’t strengthen it.
People keep saying this… but all those mats people brought to an enchanter included mats that came from disenchanting. So the enchanters did make money selling things on the AH. Quite a bit of it.
I don’t care about my position. If you want to believe what I said or not is up to you, even though its pretty tough to go against unless you know something I don’t.
But when people are being actual morons and saying stuff like “It didn’t increase by XX amount” when I just shown him the actual data that it did, they need to be mocked and called out. If you disagree with that then so be it, just keep scrolling. But someone being opening moronic needs to be called out and not just ignored. They need to learn.
Okay.
You are a moron. You are acting like a moron. Please learn.
Thats just like saying a skinner has a sellable craft because they can sell skins. You trade greens/blues/purps for chanting matts.
No, I’m an A-hole and I’m acting like an A-hole. You see sweetheart, a moron would say something to the effect of
When he just looked at the data given to him where it shows it obviously did.
If you want to link me to where I said something incorrect that made me a moron, please go ahead.
Yes, it is like saying that. Look, I’m not disagreeing with you about your end point. I’m just saying that enchanters have a solid way to make cash aside from spamming trade chat. There is real gold to be made in selling DE mats. Your point about be able to sell enchants while offline is very valid.
There is fantastic cash in selling skins. Just skins.
Good post!
I agree wholly about it all, anything that devalues, or removes the need to interact with others is bad for classic.
vanilla was the worst time to play the economy, there’s nothing to buy. having gold cap and owning the AH back then was more useless than raiding as ret paladin
idgi havent they already stated a single sub will cover both?
why is this a 150 post argument posed as hypotheticals about something already explained and decided.
Well if thats how you feel I think I should tell you that your understanding of what the token does in the economy is not very good. Your obsession with the incentive to farm side of the equation while ignoring the incentive to farm less and buy instead side of the equation is astounding. You also seem to forget that the buy gold option has always existed and the only thing the token does (as far as gold farming is concerned anyways) is move some of the gold farming from professional farmers to bored players.
Injecting the large piles of gold that long time players build up back into the economy is actually something that helps combat inflation and is probably one of the reasons why the token exists in the first place.
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Anyway
Point of the thread was that there are conveniences we might enjoy and are asking for that have unintended negative effects on the economy, so be careful what you ask for.
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No if you have read, I acknowledged that side of it as well. But that’s not the side of the token that is doing the actual damage to the economy. I went into detail about this side of it as well and explained how one side can’t exist without the other. But, more often than not THAT side is just buying free gold they wouldn’t have otherwise farmed for themselves. Which is what one poster even admitted to doing in this very thread, proving me correct.
I also mentioned this, and it seems you haven’t been paying attention, or just walked into this conversation… So because you clearly haven’t been paying attention I would refrain from saying things like “YOU IGNORE” or “YOU FORGET” because I did mention these things, you just didn’t read them. What I said was that tokens makes it more accessible, more acceptable, and easier to obtain. This brings the gold buying/selling aspect of the game into mainstream, when it would otherwise be a part of a really small group of people who don’t care if they get actioned for breaking the ToS.
It does in an actual, real world economy. In a virtual one where the gold is generated infinitely, the only things that actually combats inflation, is deleting the gold. This is either done with taxing players on stuff like AH transactions, or massive gold sinks. But when you still have all the factors into your game that CREATED the inflation in the first place, this isn’t really combating inflation at all, and more or less just attempting to not make it worse.
It seems I do know a lot about the token and provided more than enough evidence to provide you with data that supports what I’m saying. And it seems like all you guys just have under your belt is “LOL YOU DON’T KNOW ANYTHING” without actually proving anything I said wrong. Honestly, I would be MORE than happy to discuss with someone who has evidence to support their stance or at least combat mine. But none of you seem to have it.