I do not know how we can agree on anything when you can agree on the last point but hold the position of the first point. We share the same concerns about religion and politics should be kept out of WoW but cannot see eye to eye on how people are concerned about how the social contract could cause that spillover effect rather just dismissing it as irrelevant.
Just waving it off as irrelevant is fine, and it is dismissive, but the concerns are going to persist until proven wrong (which I hope is the case) or we’re left with a “don’t like it, then leave” situation which I did with my home. If it gets bad enough, I will leave. This is how we burn bridges not build them however.
Netflix is getting out of the woke business because they lost a ton subscribers due to identical politics that shoved within their shows. CEO had layoff ton of activists employees within their ranks and canceled their upcoming shows. Sooner or later this will happen to other companies and they will know that Woketivism is bad for business.
Welcome to how the world works. We may share similar opinions on one thing, but that doesn’t mean we’ll agree on everything.
Because the “spillover effect” already happened with the Squelch. Again, the Squelch has existed LONG before this “contract” came into play. I even expressed how the Squelch system has been abused, in the past, due to some (not all) players getting their feelings hurt, so they abuse the Squelch system to unjustly punish people, they don’t like.
This contract changes nothing.
It’s not dismissive because I’m telling you the concern you’re worried about, already happened. It’s called the Squelch, and the Squelch has been here BEFORE the Contract and has been abused, since its implementation. And, it hasn’t gone, anywhere, and I don’t expect it to. You either accept that, or you don’t. This contract changes nothing.
If you’re good with losing. It takes keeping the raid alive to win the raids. I joined a raid group yesterday to take down Antros, and all names showed to be the same color, so it was next to impossible to tell factions.
It’s less weird if the restaurant has a steady stream of people being disrespectful to the other patrons on a daily basis and they have to field daily complaints of anti-social behavior from their customers.
But yeah, either way, it’s their place. If you don’t like it you’re better off not being there than throwing a tantrum and making a spectacle of yourself over it.
And really, you already do this. You’re just not asked to actually sign something.
But anyone disrupting the dining experience of other guests will be removed. I mean heck you guys, even dingy biker bars have bouncers and limitations.
My 29 tank got reported by “everyone” in the group (only a couple were vocal about having done it) because I asked a hunter not to pull several times. Then I started skipping what I didn’t pull but did progress through the dungeon.
Great system if a ban comes to fruition because of that.
Do what I do, if they wanna tank it, let em. You won’t get into trouble. Better yet, drop the group, you get faster queues then they do, just make sure to kill at least one boss to avoid the debuff.
The Squelched point is a good point. Like I said I never had reporting or silencing issues and just ended a full-time job when I had two meaning now I am returning to playing, so this was not on my radar. Would like solutions so addressing the Squelching issue would be a great place to start. Randos being able to silence each other sounds problematic.
Thanks mom
Look we are not going to agree whether it was dismissive or not, too subjective and emotionally charged. All I am saying is people have real life reasons to be concerned about a social contract being shoved in the face in order to play and have burned in the past by such things. If you want people to quit their belly aching, then hear them out as if they may know something you don’t. As for me this is small potatoes and would not ruin my day if you or blizzard called me every name in the book (trust me I have heard it all). Only interested in solutions and bridge building. Can live without a video game at the end of the day.
LFD has gotten so bad, that I just don’t like tanking in them, anymore.
You won’t get banned. I mean, I still think the VTK system is just as flawed. So, even if this contract didn’t exist, I’ve seen these groups VTK, when these people are just there, for the dungeons. And, they denied another player to participate in that dungeon.
It is problematic. That’s why this contract changes absolutely nothing about how the Squelch System works. The only difference is they added in a warning, now, that you’re (general “you’re”) being reported. But, you (general “you”) didn’t hit the Squelch, Silence, Suspension, yet.
Which is no different than the ToS being shoved in our faces, in order to play, as well.
They don’t know, though, that’s the thing. You (specifically) were unaware of the Squelching system and participated in the fear mongering and spreading misinformation about what’s really going on, here.
I’ve stated, over and over, again, this contract changes nothing. The Squelch is still in the game and has been abused. I’m not worried about being warned that I’m being reported because as long as I don’t hit that Squelch, I’m good.
I doubt people that participate in the guild invite addon spam are aware that they’re upsetting people (like me). Perhaps, this new warning system, will let them know, that they’re bothering people. I’ve been forced into using an addon, to block that spam. Because Blizz doesn’t care about that kind of spam, no matter how many times I report it.
The only person who participated in name calling is you (specifically), when you (specifically) sarcastically referred to me as “mom”. Very mature
And, I’m interested in spreading the truth and not lies.
I can live without it, for more than that, but it’s not a competition nor relevant to the discussion, at hand.
Now if I was in line to watch the Superbowl that I really wanted to see. Then someone came to me with a contract saying don’t be a douche or you can’t watch the game.
You bet your undead but I’m signing that contract.
Personally, I would probably raise an eyebrow and ask the person if everything was alright.
If it was a private place I wanted access too, I’d probably say “No thanks. Have a nice day!” I would be under the impression that they have bigger problems if customers have to sign/accept a contract.
Nope. Words have meaning. I’ve worked in law and policy long enough to know that
But I agree, it shouldn’t be anything Blizzard needs to be hung up about and a simple change from “Social contract” to “Terms of Service” would be an easy fix!
These are the level of name calling and I tolerated the first insult and pushed back on the second mildly with the mom comment.
Yes very mature.
Also at the end of the day is just a saying equivalent to “when all is said and done” meaning despite everything that came or was said previously it doesn’t matter because I can go without. Not a brag that I can go without gaming for a day which would be a pathetic statement really.
Calm down, the Squelching point is a good point and I agreed with it. Just take the compliment instead of getting emotional. You are missing the real life point where people are coming from.
There are significant differences like compelled speech and actions and the vague hate speech section, which is why I want to know what that means in the Forums. What are the enforcement methods? What is considered hate speech? Just want to know specifics here. Didn’t think that was a big ask or that sharing where people’s concerns were coming from would be considered “fearmongering” or “spreading misinformation”.
