Not many would scream about it. Sure they’d be unhappy and I understand people being unhappy about it. Let’s just say PI or masterloot is a bigger issue for raiding than a mount and we don’t have to repeat it for people to know where most raiders stand on those issues.
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Im not in disagreement with you over blizz dropping a ball here I feel you on that though if they removed ksm mount I would be happy as hell as would never do keys again 
. The last 21 PF I did killed my soul . I’m just suggesting we help players who want it find tools to help them achieve that goal. I also think that those who are using the “real” player arguement are not those who even do that top end content in the first place but the middle ground like your example of aotc only guilds. Like this punch guy who replied to you. Not am aotc raider, not a ksm player or even 1800 in pvp and uses that arguement he is also a world content player.
Maybe because the situation wouldn’t be the same at all, the amount of effort required to go from heroic to mythic is a 100 times more than lfr>normal.
There is a reason a carry for mythic jailer is like what 10 million? People dont care about the change to normal, because is really insignificant and people that actually want to get it should be able to with a little bit of effort.
The carries are also going to be dirt cheap, 10 mythic geared raiders can carry 20 people in normal.
Heroic to Mythic is a much more dramatic difference than LFR to Normal. It’s crazy that would even be brought up as a comparison.
How many people admitting that they are worthless and want to stay this way within these threads?
You know why this game is dying? Cause people in this era WHINE A LOT. You whine about EVERYTHING. You whine about everything meaningless and small, but you whine so hard that it leads to confusion of game designers. A lot of time they look at your whine instead of clear objectively good feedback and turn their focus to you, ignoring what supposed to really help to fix this game.
You might “win” this “issue”, but then it will be another whine thread about some other thing that you WON’T DO cause you don’t WANT to do it. Not cause you CAN’T do it. Cause again — you do not strive for being better, you strive for being louder and more obnoxious. “whaaa I dun liek it hoW It turnEd out for Me!!1 ChangE it NOw!!1”. This is basically half of the threads now in all forums. I also trying to bring out imperfection of systems via threads, but only when they objectively were supposed to work other way, not cause someone left generalization in one achievement or forum line.
This game is already a mush of whine, cheese, saliva and snot covered by you and your 90% of the player base. You do not strive to do anything, yet you want for people who literally enjoying hard designed content (or even just normal) to get something unique for their normal/hard work. You want everything for yourself with your online soCiaLisM/coMuNism™ mentality.
This is so nice that next expansion is filled with furry nonsense. I might drop it for good at this time and stop looking at my beloved game that I spent 18 years on being degenerated into this WHINED DOWN MESS.
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Right and this isnt just for herioc raiding, mythic raiding has taking a beating since the removal of ML, PI I tend to find is more a herioc issue than a mythic one personally but AP over legion and bfa was a major mythic raiding hurdle. This is our version of slime cat drama and blizz didn’t budge on this for 2 expansions so it’s not just a casuals getting ignored thing
The images in my head. Oh no.
Just my .02 here.
It’s more about principle that the achieve was changed, first by a blue posting a reply, then hotfixes in game. That’s some shady mess.
This topic WILL stick around, even if it dies down a little it will be held as another time Blizz made an unwanted, unnecessary change that’s arguably worse than just leaving it alone.
There was no “take it from LFR” threads when it was available to all, so normal wannabe gatekeepers are just clowning at this point. Ex norm/heroic raider here, SL killed my interest in raiding, this hasn’t reignited any desire to herd people through raids again for sure.
And lastly, yes this topic will probably die down some. Not because people got over it, but because those people left and found something better to do with their time than feed money to a company that does shady things.
In the end it will be another “you think you do, but you don’t” or “we’d rather you not play demonology” moment. Just another sign that this company isn’t changing, no matter how many times they say “we’re listening” they always retort with “well our philosophy is…”
The philosophy is flawed, that’s why wow bleeds subs with every bad decision.
G’day y’all
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There were no topics, because people didnt knew it existed, the vast majority of players will have no idea it was changed in the first place. True casual players, dont have thousand of forum post or look at wowhead all day.
^^ this basically
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I assure you that lots of people knew it existed and had not problems with it, therefore no forum posts about it from them.
Not sure where casuals comes into my post at all. True casuals probably don’t play Shadowlands at all. There are a ton of players that are currently playing BFA because they didnt buy SL. There is a huge ‘silent majority’ that don’t look at the forums or might not even really know they exist. Again, it’s not about ‘casuals’ it’s about the way it went down.
Also not sure where forum posts come into it. I guess I have over a thousand posts, woohoo I guess /s. 1k posts over however many years. What’s that got to do with the topic of why this is a crappy decision on Blizz’s part?
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It’s about false advertisement and doing a bait and switch the last moment.
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Your posts are tiring, and the fact that Blizzard put you on the community council just denigrates the credibility of it.
No one is “treating casuals like crap.”
They made the decision that end game rewards shouldn’t come from introductory content. They changed something and people like you are using as this as a “GOTCHA!” moment to support their claim that Blizzard “treats casuals like crap.”
It’s exactly in line with your other thread bemoaning the fact that “casuals” can’t gear competitively by doing non competitive content, therefore Blizzard hates “casuals.”
This is literally your only issue.
Casual players, by definition of the word casual-are no longer casual when they use consume products such as discord and WoWhead. Third party resource utilization is well beyond the purview of a casual.
You and players like you are mad that they can’t afk themselves a mount (after afk’ing for 40 minutes in queue for a single LFR wing that is going to take them around an hour to complete thereby making void the argument that they don’t have time to raid.)
Matchmaking should be removed from everything other than leveling content.
It’s introductory stuff and Blizzard should do a better job at communicating that particular fact.
It’s where you go to learn or engage in something you wouldn’t otherwise, not for meaningful lasting rewards as made apparent by the lack of inclusion of this mount in LFR.
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This literally kept me up at night… if someone paid money to sub based on the promise of the mount that is fraud IMO. I’d highly encourage that person to file a report with the FTC or seek out a lawyer for arbitration. I’m absolutely livid about this. Again… it’s not about LFR it’s about the fact they were fully aware of the impression of the community that the mount would be available for months since the original wowhead article was published in April.
I was going to post a link to the original wowhead article here… but apparently blizz banned part of the name of the mount WTF.
https://www.wowhead.com/news/jig glesworth-sr-slime-cat-mount-for-completing-all-season-4-fated-raids-326882
remove the space to use it
So making an unannounced and undocumented change last night:
is underhanded, despicable, and IMO outright fraudulent as the content was already effectively live as the achievements were already in production even if they weren’t achievable yet. This is worse than EA/Ubisoft level sliminess (pun not intended… just accurate), this is on par with Comcast.
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Sub only gives you access to the game, you’d never win in court as they give you access to the game. It’s completely within their right to make that change. What wowhead post is not a blizzard obligation.
They made the change before a patch happen, which is the best time to make changes. Saying they can’t do changes before content is actually released is madness.
I never thought you of all people would be defending this behavior. No in my opinion it’s fraud.
The promise of content being available and then being removed can be fraud particularly if the change was made after things were already in the live production game. Blizz had a chance to make their change, that chance ended the day 9.2.5 went live with the achievements that said any difficulty. Acting as they have is underhanded and again… in my opinion fraudulent. If I was one of those people I would absolutely be reporting blizz to the FTC right now.
The “sub only gives you access” is BS it was BS in WoD with flying and it’s BS now. This is exactly the same as WoD flying. Blizz strung people along for months and then changed their minds at the last moment.
No THEY DIDN’T they changed their mind after the achievements were live in game. Just because they weren’t achievable yet doesn’t make a difference. The fact they made it into live production is all that matters.
Either way I’m disappointed in them, and you for defending this sort of scumminess.
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They could literally remove half the game and you still couldn’t get them in court for it. That’s what Destiny 2 did.
Being an achievement doesn’t mean they can’t change it. And it’s done in a good way as it was done before the achievement was doable, before the season to do it started.
I defend both point, I believe there’s enough reason for the mount to be normal and up and for it to be LFR and up. I just don’t believe in fraud, or scuminess, at best this is an oversight.
Yes you can, Destiny 2 didn’t do it unannounced. Nor did they do it at the last moment. That’s the difference. If a player has a reasonable expectation based on the state of the game and reported media that’s all that is required. Blizz could have issued a correction back in April and deliberately chose not to do so. That means that they deliberately allowed that misconception to fester for several months during which players made purchasing decisions.
I get your lack of empathy, but no this is fraud again in my opinion. I also don’t think comparing this to AOTC mounts is fair since this is 30 bosses not 1. So defend if you like. I am disappointed in you and players like you that defend extremely predatory and scummy behavior like this.
Edit:
Blizz even made a statement to Wowhead in April about it (on the comments in the article I can’t link because of the mount name issue):
We currently don’t know what is the state of LFR for Season 4. For now, I’ve removed any specific mentions of difficulty, but if there is a Fated LFR, you’ll likely be able to obtain the mount from LFR
So No this was extremely deliberate.
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Changing things in the PTR or Alpha/Beta is one thing. That’s the purpose of those enviroments. Pushing something to live and waiting until the last minute to apply a fix looks bad even if there was no ill intent. Intent is not even an issue, it’s the appearance of impropriety. Often the appearance of impropriety is far worse than any actual impropriety.
It’s like the mythic recolor hammer from Uldir that got into players hands by mistake. People lost their crap when it was changed. The same argument applies because mythic wasn’t out then, but Blizzard changed course over the outcry.
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likely isn’t confirming that they’ll do it.
I’m just going by the letter.
Yes I know people are unhappy, I just don’t believe there is as much people being unhappy about it outside of the wow forum.
And people are being so absurd about it that I feel I gotta put some logic in the madness. 5 days is a decent amount of time before a release, for Blizzard. That’s how they do their announcements, a week before.