It's good to see Ion believes M+ loot is too good

Half of what you suggested is “how to kill mythic + 101.” lol

Especially that second and third suggestion. That is just awful.

I kind of think your view of m+ is a bit skewed too. I know a lot of people that can clear heroic but can’t time a 15 to save their lives (and vice versa.) It’s obviously a familiarity thing but let’s not pretend that normal/heroic raiding is very difficult. It’s all trivial content–normal/heroic and m+ 15s.

I’d be okay with getting less loot drops but that’s where it ends with agreeing with you. The great vault isn’t even an issue because it is very slow to gear solely through it–which I have done on non-raiding characters. It takes months… while the raid toons are geared in weeks.

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I agree…with 5 man…its most accesible compared to raiding

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It doesn’t drop the best gear until you don’t need gear anymore.

/sigh

They should just remove the extra ilvls from the last bosses; it doesn’t actually help progression raiding, and just confuses people who don’t understand how raiding works.

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I think you misunderstood. I’m referring to that guys hatred for m+ and wanting it removed.

I support m+.

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He’s really trolling when he says that mythic+ should be restricted to guild groups. He’s said that several times.

If you PvE, your choices are raid or m+. there’s nothing else. whether there should be “more” is up for discussion. But right now all we have is m+ and raiding. there has to be something to do that’s enjoyable between raid nights, and that’s m+ for A LOT of people.

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I remember at the start of shadowlands or one if it’s seasons, they nerfed loot drop rates. And I thought some raiders thought it was fair. (Tali video if I recall).

Why people care about nerfing gear from other game modes I do not know. I still miss getting solo gear stuff like in BFA. It doesnt mean I want other game modes to suffer.

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That got spread around on the forums a lot. “People asked for there to be less raid loot.”

And we kept asking: “who?”

Nobody could ever give any names.

I don’t want to nerf anything, I would be delighted if Blizzard would instead stop taking a sledgehammer to raiding every expansion.

I think you’re the one misunderstanding how raiding works. That high ilvl gear isn’t meant to help you prog through your first shriekwing kill, but it’s a reward you’re working towards getting the best loot in the game. Which will then help you clear the raid a lot easier.
But considering you think normal raid is tuned around gear that is higher ilvl than what it drops there, i can see why you think that.

Not really. You can’t even fill out a set from the end bosses, it’s not a full loot table.

What on earth are you babbling about?

Obviously. It would be silly if the jailer had the same loot as the previous bosses combined. That shriekwing loot is still making your next shriek kill easier.

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Not when you already got better loot from m+, no.

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Loot pinatas at the beginning of raids are so boring. Vigilant Guardian might be the most boring fight ever created

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Well they deleted solo gearing. At least raiding still exists lol.

5 mans are good for me because its less people to deal with. Raids are nice when eberyone shows up… on time and knows what they are doing.

I prefer the solo route, 5 mans are an ok middle ground for the accesibility. Less people, more impact in a 5 man setting, less drama, no other tank to deal with when tanking. No voice chat needed, but it helps a ton.

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Again, loot that is capped for several weeks/months at the start of the season. If you need 3 item levels higher than normal raid loot to prog mythic, i got some news for you.

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Seems simple to me. M0 has a weekly lockout just like raids do. Put M+ on a weekly lockout too. Problem solved.

Oh, are they removing the Mythic-level weekly great vault rewards from M+ in Dragonflight? I missed that.

bro how is this even a solution that one could even imagine working

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I dunno, why does raiding have a weekly lockout?

Two completely different pieces of content. Literally night and day. Not even worth comparing.

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