This thread is starting to resemble a Monty python skit
It’s p2w
No it isn’t
Yes it is
No it isn’t
Yes it is
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Even if you could literally buy gear from the shop they would say that wasn’t p2w because “that wouldn’t increase your skill so that’s not winning lol”.
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I would say yes it is pay to win. I always defined it as being able to achieve great gear without having to put in much effort. Things like mythic plus and most raids (outside mythic) you can purchase a clear and just stand still and be fed gear.
If only they would have taken many players advice and created solo versions of all group content this would not be so prevalent.
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Where have you been? It’s been pay2win since carries were a thing even pre-wow token because they just bought chinese gold instead.
Want a specific arena rating buy it. RBG rating? Buy it. Mythic clear? Buy it. BoE’s? Buy it.
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You aren’t winning anything.
The time you buy guaranteed gear from the shop ONLY with cash then ill believe its p2w too, simple as that, otherwise keep the carries coming, my sub appreciates it.
so you benefit from it thats why its not pay to win lol
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Ive seen true p2w via mobile games and BDO, WoW being p2w is just hilarious.
This is what it boils down to.
Anyone claiming WoW is P2W has never played a real P2W game.
I think you have a skewed version of pay to win. Because blizz is not getting any more money that people already buying tokens, and the fact carries have ALWAYS been around, and blizz gets NOTHING from them…its not pay to win. It is paying players for a service. It is capitalism…
We really going to compare F2P games with a subscription game now?
So it boils down to “hey this P2W game is worse, therefor this other P2W game isn’t P2W despite how you can literally spend hundreds of dollars to get an enormous edge over others and experience content most people won’t get to touch until the next expansion when they can solo it”?
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Are you paying Blizz for the power, or are you paying players to help you do content?
Does blizz advertise ilevel boost deals? Do they actually encourage it or do they just not care because its players selling services to other players…
It comes to the fact players are getting gold for helping others. If you hate that, get better and do carries, or quit crying and just ignore the ads. Nothing is happening that hasnt for over a decade, and nothing from blizz itself.
Or maybe put some challenging content into the game that you can’t get carried in. Like say, mage towers. Cause grouped content just got devalued big time once wowtokens were put into the game.
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We don’t have to agree but pay to win is when you can use cash to get an advantage over other players in the game which now in wow you can do which you previously could not. It does not mean that the items you buy are unobtainable the old fashion way it simply means you are given an advantage not afforded to players without the cash in this instance time and further progression.
Also let’s leave politics to the side for your own simple minded sake and that of the forum, this is a video game we’re talking about here.
I don’t see anyone mentioning politics…what the heck are you talking about here?
If you think me mentioning “Capitalism”, that isn’t politics…thats economic systems… It means “The means of production are largely or entirely privately owned (by individuals or companies) and operated for profit.” The production is the people running the service: The runs.
You always could actually. You could ALWAYS buy carries through raids. Always buy gold in game via chinese farmers, etc. Your argument ignores reality.
You ignore the fact carries were in game before tokens were…I can only account for since WotLK but they were selling carries back then.
I hope you also have these on your list
“I don’t know what p2w is”
"I have extremely low standards for ‘winning’ "
“All I do is try to bash WoW as much as I can, so any view I take will be slanted to push this narrative”.
If we use blizzard shills standards for winning then no game can ever be won.
We have a situation right now in game where you can spend real money to kill the hardest dungeon/raid encounters and get carried very high up the PVP ladder.
That is considered not winning under their eternally shifting goalposts.
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You can pay gold to get gear…
Indirectly buy gold for cash.
But you cannot pay cash to directly buy a certain piece of gear for a price.
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Your arguing that you aren’t gambling real money at casinos because you buy the chips first.
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