Is thrall a cheater?

Ok…so just dismissing his very obvious anti-elemental agenda.

Right. Enslaving elementals is ok as long as you have at least 1 degree of separation. I forgot that part.

no no. Garrosh didnt.

Only the people directly under him that he employed and told to…they did it.

Elementals loved Garrosh. Because they dont understand how social structures work. Only the rules of Mak’Gora.

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I’m thinking the Draenor Elementals sensed what Garrosh did on Azeroth and went " Oh yeah we’re in lets light this puppy up "

As for Thrall I think is was a case of his doubt causing them to go " Suck it up Buttercup and get back to us when the pitty party is over "

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Garrosh liberated the orcs from the Legion on draenor.

Could be. I think it’s arguable that he doesn’t support dark magic but felt obligated to use it. At the end even the old gods couldn’t corrupt him.

Which is?

Are you a cheater?

This is exactly what happened.

Even Drekthar got his connection back after his woe is me time.

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Did we play the same game? I don’t think we did. Even his own AU father was against him in the end.

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did you forgot SoO where he had his dark shamans twist the elements?

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no no. that wasnt garrosh. the elementals dont understand power hierarchy. only mak’gora rulesets.

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Yet some still went with them in the end didn’t they (Kilrogg and the Bleading Hollow Clan )

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Garrosh liberated the orcs and Grom leaded them but they became a threat to Azeroth so we handled that. The Legion took control once the Iron Horde started losing power, this wouldn’t have happened if we didn’t go agaisn’t the Iron Horde.

Sometimes I think that one doesn’t only play a troll but is one

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Head Canon theorist are just as much of a pestilent plague as Pro Shippers are.

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Thrall calls the elements to his side, but is surrounded by a dark void.

Garrosh Hellscream yells: Fool. My dark shaman have twisted and tortured the elements for miles around. They cannot hear you now.

Elementals are like " Garrosh is the guy that is totally gonna spread shamanism"

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the movie version wasnt a “no magic” rule, it was literally Gul’dan disrespecting the tradition and then using fel magic to simply murder his opponent instead of defeating him in honorable combat. Dude tried to back out because he didnt care about it, which insulted every orc in attendance. So when they forced him back to finish it, he just cheated to end it fast.

There are cinematics in Wod that explains this, how the other clans turned to the Legion once the Iron Horde got beaten. :man_shrugging:

Precisely how and when?
The Orcs weren’t under Legion control in Draenor. In case you want to say that he prevented them from becoming enslaved by the Legion?

Partially, yes, because I remember killing tons of Fel Orcs in Hellfire Citadel.

No, either it was just bad writing or he thinks that Rules for Me, Not for Thee was a new thing and no one would notice he using Old God’s power, shamans wielding enslaved elemental powers etc.

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I mean you did see WoD cinematic right? I think that’s pretty clear.
I think there’s arguable points about the duel but that Garrosh saved the orcs from falling to the Legion at first in WoD is pretty set in stone.

No.

At the end of WoD, when Thrall wins the Mak’gora against Garrosh, I remember hearing from some of the player base that Thrall cheated them because they wanted to be able to kill Garrosh.
Ingame.
Not in an instance. As part of a quest where the player gets to give the killing blow.

That’s where the “cheater Thrall” came from originally.

Thrall lost his connection to the elements for a bit because he felt guilt for putting Garrosh in charge before he was ready and because he didn’t stay to guide him through.

I don’t recall why Thrall had to leave but he did and then things went bad sometime after that. I think MoP/sha but I could be wrong.

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You are not an Orc. Read :

In the Mak’gora between Thrall and Garrosh Hellscream, there has been much debate about whether Thrall cheated. Traditionally, Mak’gora is a duel meant to be fought with basic weapons, without the use of external powers or magic, to ensure a fair fight.

During the duel, Thrall used his shamanistic powers, specifically calling upon the elements, to subdue and ultimately kill Garrosh. This action is widely considered dishonorable because Garrosh did not have similar powers to counteract Thrall’s magic.

After the fight, Thrall himself expressed regret, acknowledging that his use of shamanistic abilities might have violated the spirit of Mak’gora. This has led many to believe that while it may not have been outright cheating, it was certainly an unfair advantage that goes against the tradition of the duel.

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I saw the WoD cinematic, several times in fact, he didnt free anyone, the entire thing was a “do you want to work for us, here drink this” followed by “Nah bruv, I decline”. They were never under the thrall of the legion on draenor, not until the end when Hellscream failed to do what he promised.

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