Is there a future for Human nations?

The forsaken are responsible for everything they did up to end BFA. As a nation they are responsible and there is no justification for anyone from the Alliance to treat the forsaken with anything less than abject hostility and hate.

You are the one making assertions that Alliance races not liking the Forsaken or Orcs or the Horde in general because of WHAT THEY DID as somehow racist by posting nonsense like this:

How about instead of blaming the victim nation of being unreasonable in their justified mistrust and grievances you point out to the hypocrisy of the Horde, their lack of action, self reflection, failure to make any amends or reparation or avoiding the same mistake for the 4th time in the last 20-30 year timeline.
Saurfang was butchering babies in Outland and he still went through with the War of Thornes invasion as an honorable war. And apparently he is a hero! Like Grom! Or Doomhammer!

Instead of trying to gaslight people into liking the Horde on a narrative level from an Alliance PoV how about you advocate for the Horde to actually do things and make changes that make them more likeable.

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That would require people like her to admit that the horde, and the forsaken in particular are the ones in the wrong. And don’t deserve to be trusted by the alliance.

The horde has done NOTHING to prove they are worthy of trust at the current moment.

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And if they do, it ruins the image of the Horde.

How many times has a person here called the Horde an Alliance client state because they are having a conversation with Andiun?

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He didnt “give it up” to Lordearon either. He specifically kept the Northgate lands as a buffer zone.

Silverpine Forest isn’t included within Greymane’s Wall, ergo the King of Gilneas conceded that it wasn’t Gilnean territory.

There really are two many humans. We’ve taken so much from the Horde and all we do is build brick castles. The horde needs reparations. Instead of funding a military industrial complex we should be putting monies into refugee charities. The barrens is a poor area and those people really need help.

Again, he did not, he did not go “hey, im not using this land, you can keep it Lordaeron.” He went “were going to use this land as a buffer zone, if you set on foot in it, we will kill you”.

He at best decided to let the people outside his walls fend for themselves but clearly the people outside consider themselves Gilneans/he still considered it Gilnean land and if Lordearon tried to take it, he would have his wall to comfortable fire back at invaders.

Stop defending colonialism!!

How the hell did you get colonialism out of that, it was always Gilnean land!

They put a wall around another countrys property just like trump and mexico!

Silverpine was THEIR COUNTRY. Hence why there was a Northgate rebellion! People did not like getting locked out of their own country.

No its Lorderons! Then racists started a civil war!

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Genn Greymane: Lord of His Pack by James Waugh (worldofwarcraft.com)

“On this map it seems you are suggesting the possibility of Lord Marley’s realm…. But look at the terrain, my liege…. We have this mountainous region right here. What a grand hold that would make, with mountains on either side that would create a secure natural barrier.”

“What you say is true.”

“Of course, to attain it, we’d have to cut off some of Lord Crowley’s lands. Cut off Pyrewood and Ambermill.”

As a side note, Pyrewood and Ambermill are Crowley’s land. Therefore he gets do what he pleases and he is a Gilnean citizen.

I dont read stories made by men.

Then we probably shouldn’t read your opinion.

Why because you hate women?!

This literally never happens. He had a long and storied history of ignoring anything that happened outside of Greymane’s Wall, including the Forsaken staking claim within Silverpine Forest.

Lie less.

I know we don’t get along often, but you’re about this. It was one of the many reasons the northgate rebellion started. Genn was ignoring everything that happened beyond the Greymane wall

Or he didn’t have the capacity to deal with issue outside his gates, he was already dealing with the Worgens and rebellion behind the wall. Ultimately, it is Crowley’s land. And he has given his full support to Genn.

Crowley literally led a rebellion against Genn. He and his men instigated the whole thing