Meh, even the purists secretly despise the OG ranking system; it was never good
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stop capn. I hate pve with a passion like hate hate raiding.
I finally gave in back in 2019 and literally watched netflix on a second screen pressing 2 buttons and collected gear…
Come on bro don’t try to convince me its hard… i barely watched the screen
I mean I actually found that I liked the ranking system in Classic, enough to do it four times. Had I only done it once I would have regretted it now. So it’s great that I binged because now I don’t have regrets.
I’ve explained why liked it probably 100 times in multi-paragraph posts but frankly people do not want to understand. They do want to make up judgments or assumptions sometimes about my real life which is disgusting and all of the assumptions so far have been wrong.
Now can I see problems with the old system when there are people being jerks about it? Yes. Can I accept that the majority are happy? Yes. Does the new system excite me or do I find it actually unique to what would be in any other game? No. Even though I accept others do they accept me? Well, a few accept that I like what I like and they’ve told me, so props to these people they are the good ones, but most really don’t… which frankly says way more positive about me than it does about people who chose not to understand others.
Sorry, I just hate reading close-minded absolutes like the one above. I always try to be nice and explain things in long posts when others to try to help them understand because I assume they just don’t get me and so I’ll type paragraphs but with this, it’s often just middle fingers back, even from some people who I usually respect.
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Crul’shorukh (the first axe that’s slightly better than, or at worst equivalent to, rank 14 weapons for an orc warrior) has about a 1/8 chance of dropping on Classic Era.
Let’s say a guild has 7 warriors.
You would need 56 weeks - that’s over 1 year of raiding every week - of average luck to get that weapon on every warrior.
Meanwhile, you can get rank 14 weapons x2 plus six pieces of gear in 8 weeks if you’re already level 60.
Yeah, ranking needs to be hard.
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hey I can respect that. I never had problems with it until there were certain people holding it hostage. That kinda sucks, and glad that part is now impossible
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The OG system is fine for a single server (edit: with a vanilla like pop) with relatively equal pvp participation across the two factions. It also helps if the people are chill and put the emphasis on fun first and foremost - but that didn’t happen even back in 2005. People got obsessed.
Safe to say we didn’t evolve in the 14 or so years before it came back to official Classic servers with cross realm bgs, a neutered AV and meta diehards. So while its functional and “works”, it certainly hasn’t aged well and while that may not entirely be its fault players as a whole were determined to tear it down one way or another. Might as well make it interesting for everyone instead of one group dropping rubble and debris on the heads of everyone else.
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Dude. Blizzard is not catering to your henious ideas of what pvp should be.
It’s not going to be “free”. Cope more
If you want rank 14 just be glad you won’t be prone to nuclear 2 million + caps anymore. That should be good enough for anyone. If you don’t wanna farm 40+ hours a week you won’t get 14. Thats that
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Thank you. I didn’t like the holding hostage thing you talked about either, and I still don’t know how nobody else said a word about the Whitemane bracket holder before you.
I’ll agree that people being able to do stuff like that and some other things I saw on SoM Barman was a flaw, although there were ways around it but someone like that does make it toxic.
I also know I kind of blew up at you there in that post and I don’t like to do that but it gets exhausting to read the same stuff from the same people. I also know that it looks like I took your general comment too personally but there really have only been a couple of people to say they liked anything about how it was.
When I type way more than others and I still read crap about how my only desire is to control others, when nothing could be further from the truth because that’s like the polar opposite of the truth, it gets me annoyed. I just hate being judged instead of understood over anything else. Also, there are some people on the forums who I just label as “total jerks”, and yeah that’s judgment but I’ve tried to be nice and they’ve been mean back more than once, so I don’t care about a word they say but I like you and respect what you say a lot more than some people.
Anyway my post #2 explains my general opinion of it.
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Unlike most, and I am likely safely assuming a bit here; you like myself tend to actually read and comprehend what others write. I use to write really long detailed posts but discovered over the last ten years, maybe more, the age of people seeking to actually read detailed things, who seek to comprehend nuance are a thing of the past… There are a few of us left, but not many.
Heck, if I don’t cut myself off here I could go on for pages… Question, is it just me or do a few people round here strike you as certifiably insane, like actually crazy, the kind they use to lock ya up for, ya know, padded rooms, jackets, that sorta thing.
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Well, I did ranking in Vanilla too and premaded with the guild and stomped people on the server in BGs with our BWL gear in order to help my guildies hit R14 there when most people were in blues. So was that any better? I don’t know. 
I also liked the world PVP phase in Vanilla which was 8 weeks. A lot.
I mean people say a lot of things haven’t aged well that I think have. it’s all perception. Yes, Blizzard thinks the same way as you and so do most people. It’s always great to have tons of people agree with you.
Although I’m not saying that CRBGs did nothing. I didn’t like when they first got put in because I wanted to battle with people on my server. I’m big into server community things. Still. Some people say caring about that hasn’t aged well either. I’m not interested in this game without it.
When the one group is inclusive and seeks to bring everyone with social skills in it’s not like that though.
Somehow this is being completely overlooked by people. Things about how the system worked made it a great way to get to know tons of other people on the server in many guilds. This all helped build long-lasting server and guild connections and community.
For the most part, the PVP communities weren’t just cliques. Seeing this part of the game dissolved to me is sad. That’s the part I do not like. It’s not about wanting to support some jerk who asks for gold for a B1 spot. It’s about strongly caring about the community in this game which some people downplay as even mattering and instead they only care about things like themselves and their gear.
The other things I may not have liked aren’t a part of this. They will work with the new system fine.
I know we’ve talked a lot about these things and we’ll never see eye to eye on this. It’s fine.
You are correct. It’s tough. I like to type and know I’m wordy. It seems people these days like to read short things more than ever, probably because they like to just quickly glance at their phones and move on.
My short posts definitely get more likes.
Yes agreed. Also, I think you saw that other thread today that my wow/forum friend created. They messaged me last night and stated that “99% of the forumgoers left are utterly miserable and eagerly toxic”. So yes we are not alone in this thinking.
Nice to not be alone in that thinking, tho I am a bit more optimistic about the number of people who are that miserable, perhaps the safe bet is like 70%-ish, tho I could be wrong, is just a estimate.
I shortened everything I write just so people can comprehend it… Another guess, but I suspect their mind glazes over like a jelly doughnut when actual details turn up.
So now days instead I paint with a very broad brush, kinda like Bob Ross doing a background on a painting… Happy accidents.
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You kinda just come off as sounding like you think youre better than everyone else. Like everyone here is an idiot because they dont want to read your novels over the same rehashed classic wow topics that have been beat to death.
Since you came back to the game you been posting new topics and spending a lot of time on here. Everything ok? You got people to talk to in real life?
See - and I saw it more as exasperation than anything else.
We are all responding with the idea that others will read our complete thought perhaps even answering in a way that acknowledges their understanding of our post.
That frequently does not happen.
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Asma nailed it, also I’m saying that a huge component of the people now days will make it maybe 17 words into what you just wrote and their brain will shut down.
I enjoy painting with a big brush in large strokes now days so even the masses will read it, and get it. Sure, its true that ill be skipping tons of nuance, but ask yourselves if you have made it this far with full focus, is it worth writing very detailed posts if maybe only 1% of the subforum will read it all? If you answer no, then wouldn’t it be more wise then to communicate in a way that is more effective for the contemporaries of the modern era?
With all that in mind goals of writing posts and talking about things is to share ideas, shape perceptions, and distribute information. With those goals in mind, at least in my mind, its then wise to do so in a way that a much higher portion of readers are going to find pleasing, easy, and from their perspective “pleasing”.
I genuinely don’t think i am better than anybody, there are lots of very smart people out there, but not everyone communicates in the classical and more detailed way that use to be the standard on internet forums and even the wow forums.
As a result, I have chosen to simply say ZugZug when its going to be more efficient.
I get this.
Problem with that I have found personally is that often my brevity along with the difficulty of conveying tone through text means that other posters don’t pick up on the humorous intent and instead want me to get back under my bridge.
SAD!
edit oh I forgot to reply to this
You’re not alone. Not in this and not in believing that PVP communities weren’t just cliques.
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Yup I’m with you. This game is fun to me cause of the server wide participation and community forming through diff aspects of the game. The old system happened to actually form the roots of how the rest of the server plays out between groups/guilds/factions.
Even the drama from it is fun. Epic fights for world bosses, DMF week Elwynn zergs, hold the mountain, bug smashing etx. I still think there’s gonna be some pvp content even without the old system and I actually think participation will be through the roof especially early.
But the content/drama/bragging rights is the fun of the game. Nobody remembers nor cares about “that raid they did on Tuesday” as they go to sit in SW until next Tuesday.
you know it, she knows it, everybody knows it!
I’m in discords that still talk about ungoro crater from northdale and gen 1 drama from LH. Even stuff from p1 classic. But nobody says anything about random people raiding and could you imagine how terrible the game would be if they just put in a token system for pvp gear? I’d prolly unsub and find another game
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Tyrants usually aren’t fans of losing power.
Have to wait and see what happens. On PVE battlegroups the big question is, does AV go up 20+ hours a day. Aside from AV weekend or finding yourself a Naxx Geared carry group, reaching 500k honor will be a stretch on pve battlegroups. If AV isn’t up on a regular basis through the week PVP servers are going to receive a lot of transfers.
dude, r13 gear isnt weak or useless they equivalent to tier 2.5 and most of r14 weapons are only below some aq 40 and naxx.
R10 gear can compete with tier 2 for most classes too.
PvP gear isnt weak at all, dunno why you think the warrior with wrath gear is the reason you are losing in rank 10 pvp gear lol plus wsg/ab/av rep rewards.
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