Is the Alliance ever going to get a payback for War of Thorns?

[Syaeles-moon-guard (Syaeles)]

I’d love a list of what you’ve actually lost. And by lost I mean the Alliance took it from you. Not you gave it up on your own terms.

[Myalison-khaz-modan (Myalison)]

I have a bit of a different perspective. I don’t want any Horde cities destroyed or characters killed. I don’t even care if the Alliance wins the war in the end. I want two things - a) I never again have to hear an Alliance NPC talk fearfully about the “fury of the Horde”. I am tired of Alliance NPCs talking about the Horde as if it is this awesome thing. Save that for Horde NPCs; 2) I want a cinematic where that smug expression is wiped off the face of Sylvanas and Nathanos for five seconds. I want to see them shaken, with no comeback quip. I want to see a look of dawning realization as they realize that they might have bit off more than they can chew in attacking the Alliance.

After that, the Horde can win the war for all I care. Loa Vol’jin can stop Sylvanas from destroying the Alliance in order to preserve both factions.

[Treng-wyrmrest-accord (Treng)]

And by lost I mean the Alliance took it from you.

[Syaeles-moon-guard (Syaeles)]

I haven’t moved my goalpost. I’ve always talked from the point that the Horde only loses things when they get to decide for themselves how bad of a loss it will be. You gonna actually prove me wrong or are you just gonna link subpar youtube videos all day?

[Lithya-sargeras (Lithya)]

a) I never again have to hear an Alliance NPC talk fearfully about the “fury of the Horde”. I am tired of Alliance NPCs talking about the Horde as it is this awesome thing. Save that for Horde NPCs;

To be fair the Horde constantly hear about how awesome and savage the Alliance too.
In the Pre-patch they were constantly told “You are attacking a garrison, this isnt even their real army but gorsh darn it is it hard to beat them!”

Doesnt change the fact that in the end they do win tho.

[Murphio-moon-guard (Murphio)]

Because the Horde has lost nothing. You’re the Devs favorite little star child and ultimately will always come out on top like you always have.

You said I live in my bubble?
We lost the UNDERCITY, Dazar’alor is going up in flames, the Night Elves get to sweep us out of Darkshore while the Alliance have been hinted to get to keep the safe areas around Undercity.
Yeah you’re out of the loop or you don’t care and are too biased to see it.

[Lithya-sargeras (Lithya)]

I haven’t moved my goalpost.

He says that when he cant argue.

You said I live in my bubble?

Yes. You absolutely do.

We lost the UNDERCITY

True but you gave it away.

Dazar’alor is going up in flames

Lol no it isnt, you have to imagine that it is.

the Night Elves get to sweep us out of Darkshore while the Alliance

Nope. A never ending stalemate.

Alliance have been hinted

LMAO.

Yeah you’re out of the loop or you don’t care and are too biased to see it.

And you have to imagine your losses.

[Treng-wyrmrest-accord (Treng)]

He says that when he cant argue.

We lost the UNDERCITY, Dazar’alor is going up in flames, the Night Elves get to sweep us out of Darkshore while the Alliance have been hinted to get to keep the safe areas around Undercity.
Yeah you’re out of the loop or you don’t care and are too biased to see it.

[Syaeles-moon-guard (Syaeles)]

Night Elves sweeping the Horde out of their home isn’t a loss. You haven’t lost anything you still have everything you had before. A loss would be if we retook our lands, Darkshore and Ashenvale, and then invaded and took over Durotar.

[Hardwire-velen (Hardwire)]

They already laid siege to Orgrimmar.

Players like you make me wish the Alliance had burned Orgrimmar to the ground rather than deposing Garrosh and then handing the city back to you in perfect working order. Just so your “you laid siege to Org!” whining would have some merit.

[Szchawn-darkspear]

I HAVE MY DOUBTS TOO.

[Pellex-hyjal (Pellex)]

I think that is a valid point but besides the point.
What matters is the Alliance faction to do the following.

1. Attack the Horde.
2. Push back the Horde.
3. Burn a few towns on the way.
4. Attack a major Horde city.
5. DESTROY IT
6. ???
7. Leave and go back home.

That’s not what you said above, though:

And I agree with it but as it was noted the Horde does not receive an emotional loss like the Alliance does.

[Treng-wyrmrest-accord (Treng)]

That’s not what you said above, though:

Like I said, she moves the goalposts.

[Lithya-sargeras (Lithya)]

Sorry what I understood was that you were saying if the Horde doesnt care about silvermoon then this is a never ending search of finding a way to make the Horde emotionally suffer.

I think Undercity had potential for an emotional loss but Blizzard instead decided to present it as tactical retreat sort of thing. Silvermoon is the only place I can logically think of that Blizzard could deploy an emotional loss in a manner that makes sense.
The thing is for the Alliance player to feel vindicated they are gonna need those 7 steps. If Azshara is using her nagas to make the Blood Elves suffer it wont make the Alliance care one bit.

That was the point I was trying to get accross.

[Cursewords-tichondrius (Cursewords)]

Players like you make me wish the Alliance had burned Orgrimmar to the ground rather than deposing Garrosh and then handing the city back to you in perfect working order. Just so your “you laid siege to Org!” whining would have some merit.

That may have been a more interesting expansion to follow MoP than WoD was:

Voljin works with the Alliance to breach Org and defeat Garrosh. But instead, Varian listened to Jaina - and a slaughter begins. The Horde can only flee as the Alliance destroys Org and any Horde who can not flee.

Maybe Sylvanas and Baine are the only ones who can even escape the throne room. Baine bull rushes out and Sylvanas banshee forms out. But Voljin, Lorthemar, and Gallywix die.

It would give the Horde an existential threat. Sylvanas could have rallied the Horde from Thunder Bluff.

I can see your view. Especially when compared to what actually happened at the end of MoP.

[Myalison-khaz-modan (Myalison)]

a) I never again have to hear an Alliance NPC talk fearfully about the “fury of the Horde”. I am tired of Alliance NPCs talking about the Horde as it is this awesome thing. Save that for Horde NPCs;

To be fair the Horde constantly hear about how awesome and savage the Alliance too.
In the Pre-patch they were constantly told “You are attacking a garrison, this isnt even their real army but gorsh darn it is it hard to beat them!”

Doesnt change the fact that in the end they do win tho.

The line that specifically drew my ire is the following that we will be force to get on the Alliance side in the next raid:

“The Grand Admiral fought bravely, as did the High Tinker. But the Horde attacked with such rage… such fury!”

Perhaps I missed it, but I don’t recall the Horde getting an equivalent description of the fury of the Alliance during the Siege of Dazar’alor.

[Lithya-sargeras (Lithya)]

But Voljin, Lorthemar, and Gallywix die.

No need for them to die. Have one of them like Vol’jin lose his arm, Orgrimmar burning to the ground and being a ruin for a couple of expansions would have been good enough.

Perhaps I missed it, but I don’t recall the Horde getting an equivalent description of the fury of the Alliance during the Siege of Dazar’alor.

I was talking about Pre-patch. You wont hear that kind of talk from Nathanos or Sylvanas.

[Treng-wyrmrest-accord (Treng)]

Orgrimmar burning to the ground and being a ruin for a couple of expansions

“four-six years nbd”

[Hardwire-velen (Hardwire)]

That may have been a more interesting expansion to follow MoP than WoD was

Well, almost anything would have been.

I’m still bitter that Vol’jin’s entire stint as warchief involved him doing less than he did in 5.3.

[Murphio-moon-guard (Murphio)]

Yes. You absolutely do.

As does everyone else. You realise no matter how expansive someone travels they’ll still only have so little influence. You can’t really know that many people that well even if you did meet every living person on the Earth.
There’s always a bubble, and I’ll accept that mine is pretty Horde-biased, but I at least try to move out of it when thinking about all this.

True but you gave it away.

Sylvanas gave it away, we lost it.

Lol no it isnt, you have to imagine that it is.

“It’s not literally in flames, so there’s no problem there. Rastakhan, the established and now well liked character is being killed off, and Dazar’alor’s fleet is being put down for no reason.
No loss”

Nope. A never ending stalemate.

That’s not how lore works.
It’s canon that the Frostwolves won Alterac.
Sure it’ll take a few years, but we’ll learn who won eventually.

LMAO.

Table Missions.

And you have to imagine your losses.

What are you talking about, sure we win sometimes, but at a net loss. That’s still loss.

I think Undercity had potential for an emotional loss but Blizzard instead decided to present it as tactical retreat sort of thing.

It’s still a loss.
A loss is a loss.
It doesn’t matter how much “emotion” is poured into it.