I think the number Blizz put was 70% don’t go beyond LFR, but don’t quote me.
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The participation issue in Vanilla wasn’t as huge of a deal because that content was always there for people to go back to. Some people were stuck in older raids, but that was fine - that was their content. And as catch up systems came out, they could wiggle upwards.
Didn’t finish it before the expansion was over? You could go back and do it the next expansion too. Most people I’ve met with a Corrupted Ashbringer went back and got it during BC. They didn’t get it in Vanilla.
And honestly, I do kind of wish they’d do away with FOMO and go back to that.
Stuff’s always there though, but sometimes, you’d have to wait to be able to do it, but you still had other content to work on if you weren’t “good enough”.
And yeah, sometimes the wait would be a couple expansions, but you were doing other stuff during that wait.
Going back and doing expansion old raids when they were still mildly difficult to do was my entry into max level gameplay in this game, and going back to Legion raids right now still doesn’t have that same feel.
LFR has it’s place, but it also doesn’t need to exist. The idea that only the current patch’s content matters is where that need comes from, and I don’t think that’s healthy for an MMO.
Players were doing the content, and frankly, seeing all my non-raider/pvp friends going back and doing Legion raids right now and finding it boring… well, with transmog and account wide mount and stuff now, we’d be doing the content.
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I mean, that’s not really true. Having a really slow release schedule, content drought and the feeling that the best way to play was just doing garrisons was what killed WoD.
If what you say is true then BfA should have been the most successful WoW expansion, it’s had the biggest item rewards, the smallest gap between casual and hard core rewards, solo player rewards all the way up to the highest available in game etc.
Even WoD had access to raid gear for casual non-raiders in the form of garrison missions.
Gear rewards, or at least not accessing high enough gear rewards is typically not the reason for expansion failures.
Wow, that is a pretty low opinion of the majority of the playerbase.
The air must be pretty thin so high up on that pedestal of yours.
And this attitude, ladies and gentlemen, is why the elites are ruining WoW.
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I have heard nothing since he announced they were getting rid of emissaries and raiders rejoiced that there would be no reason to do world quests anymore.
I’ll believe they’ll make it worthwhile when I see it. And as I see Shadowlands as a strongly anti-casual expansion, I won’t be buying it.
Ehhh… I think actually Legion takes that crown. More items could Titanforge, wasn’t restricted slots like Azerite gear, and you also had your Artifact Weapon. Which could get relics that could titan forge as well. So really you could get the best of the best in legion just doing world quests.
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Yeah I feel ya, especially for the first one they really should have better promoted the fact that they expected you to make your way straight to the boss and kill them.
Players first entering them really aren’t sure of what they are capable of and it can punish them for it.
At least now you can level the cloak all the way to 15 and each level only ever requires a single vision 
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Sure, I agree with you (quite strongly in fact). But the chase is relative. If you’re not doing content, the chase for you is emissary gear. For players who push content, the chase is higher and better gear.
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LFR N’zoth is harder than Normal or Heroic N’zoth.
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Agreed, and because it’s harder and everyone always says harder content should get better rewards…
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I know you said don’t quote, but a quick search on world of wargraphs shows that almost 39% of active players achieved AOTC for Azshara last tier. So if you add in normal it’s safe to say that more people do normal/heroic/mythic than people who only do LFR and nothing else.
Actually a quick edit here. Only 68% have the achieve for normal/LFR Azshara (It’s the same achievement for both), so really the number is probably around 20-25% of active players do LFR and nothing else.
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That’s definitely a fair point!
Great news though as well, congratulations on your new job!
Hope you’re enjoying it and everything is going well for you 
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So it should reward higher gear and Normal or Heroic.
I’ve never done it, so I don’t know what the issue is with that boss.
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I’m not insulting these people, but the reason why LFR can be so painful to drudge through is because the bulk of them are very bad at the game and are uncoordinated. The reasons why could be perfectly legitimate, but while the system is designed to have a very low bar, it’s not low enough for the usual quality of player you get.
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Not at all.
The power gap between top players and newly leveled players is the highest now it has ever been. PvP is a joke because of premades of raiders with 650+hp plus bis azerite traits, essences, and corruptions.
The “biggest item rewards” went exclusively to raiders and those who pushed high keys. World content rewards were essentially nerfed in 8.3 by putting corruption on low ilvl gear, making it useless as an upgrade.
I had 4 different level 117’s get a piece of ilvl 259 corrupted gear. Couldn’t be equipped, couldn’t be cleansed. “Slap in the face” pretty much describes the feeling. “Why did they give me this instead of real gear?”
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This really just reminds on the last days were Everquest was a relevant game before it pushed everyone out to WoW for a more casual experience. Yikes.
I don’t know how to use that site. Where did you find that info?
Legion had way weaker world quest and emissary scaling than BfA had.
In fact Legion didn’t really have true reward scaling for the content at all, so gaining gear never increased the rewards you had access to.
If I recall they made a change in 7.3? Or maybe 7.2.5 that implemented a bit of WQ reward scaling but it was nothing like we have had through BfA.
Nor access to items that were 5 ilvls off the best in the game for solo players.
It was decent sure, but not as strong as BfA has been. Legendaries were their own exception but…well they were enough of an issue by themselves.
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Go to Global Ranks, then Achievement Stats. Then you can sort by achievements.
But mythic+ was more accessible in Legion. I did them on many of my toons. Now I never do on any of them.