In the interview with preach. Ion discussed his distaste with the LFR and LFD type systems the game has added. Will he eventually chop these systems and find some rug to brush it under? Or do you think he would be too afraid of the nuclear fallout of that action?
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If they took LFR out of the game I’d have to find somewhere else to troll.
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I don’t exactly think they should remove LFR but they need to do something with it
The whole thing is just a catch 22 where no matter what they do with it some how it has a bad effect on the LFR system
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I think Ion looks back fondly to the time when raiding was epic because hardly anybody was able to access it, because guilds were able to control who could and who couldn’t.
In vanilla and classic, the only reason to run a dungeon was for some loot you needed, and after that there was no reason to ever run it again.
The skill gap will increase with changes coming up in shadowlands. I guess he’s looking for less participation and fewer subs, as people who have less to do will find some other game that wants them to play.
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Well he slowly realized that LFR is just in every way useless and doesn’t mirror anything special for the playerbase.
I can understand his distaste
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For me it’s really weird, the entire thing makes me feel like a hypocrite.
On one hand I want these systems removed because I know how damaging they are to the community in the long run and as a whole.
On the other hand I’m not sure If I would continue playing if they was nerfed too hard or removed from the game because It’s my source of doing the content.
so… It’s weird.
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If they got rid of LFR, they would have to beef up LFD to compensate. If they got rid of LFD, I would probably leave the game. Other MMOs all make extensive use of queues, for this one to give up on the trail it blazed would be to leave itself behind. FF14 is waiting any time I want to go, so Ion and I can have a staring contest on this issue if need be.
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Easy answer, no.
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Maybe they should ease up on the time gating of LFR and it might serve its original design intent, getting new players comfortable with raiding.
Whats the point when the LFR wing comes out 3 weeks after normal heroic?
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I could see Ion somehow thinking the existence of LFR/LFD is the problem, instead of its implementation.
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LFR could have 3 different purposes:
- Quest completion.
- Entertainment for non-raiders.
- Training for those who want to learn to raid.
Right now it tries to do all of these things, but really makes no effort to make any of them happen. I think these 3 should be separate.
- Story mode for non-raideres
- Ez raid mode for players who don’t belong in raids.
- Full training mode if you really want the playerbase to learn from square 1.
But they really don’t want to increase participation. That would decrease exclusivity and the control over access that players and guilds have.
They’re working hard to turn wow from the biggest game in the genre into a small game with a cult following. /shrug
Community, LOL. Look at what’s happening in the classic “community” regarding Ahn’qiraj.
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I think this is true, I know in the past they said they don’t want to be the MMo company anymore. They want to go back to making smaller fun games.
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Well he suffers from the Mandela effect because lots of people raided back then, probably more so than now.
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In vanilla? No. Participation tapered off as time requirements increased.
Most anti-LFR threads have posts about how raiding was more epic when they were able to keep scrubs out, who now can access it through LFR.
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Okay, so I play a pretty good deal of classic. There’s no LF’s there at all. There is a bit more guild cohesion in that you can put a run together without too much trouble, but then you arrive at the crux of the issue. Your best and surest bet to do any sub-60 dungeon is to have a 60 nuke it for you. While you stand in the assigned spot and don’t deviate or die and/or get yelled at by the 60.
I mean it is what it is, but is that really so much more compelling than a queue system?
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They wont remove lfr since it has the highest raiding activity numbers (at least according to the numbers they released back in legion).
All I’d like is either lfr difficulty to just become normal level or just lower the ilvl rewards to heroic dungeon level. It makes 0 sense to me that people should get a shot at m0 level loot for pretty much being afk (just look at all the people still trying to get trinket from wrathion and count how many die to the flames.
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Best way to get a higher level dungeon run in classic is to pay a tank. Tanks have no reason to run those dungeons, as they’ve got the gear already, and some dungeons don’t even drop anything a tank would be interested in.
They’re going to keep nerfing the gear and making the mechanics harder for the supposed target audience until participation drops to the point where they can claim it committed suicide. Then they will remove it.
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Nah it’s to late to remove a system like that
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I like raiding rather be something special and not something everyone has access to. LFR kinda ruins it.
The days when you finally were pre-bis in TBC and you could join your first raid was just legendary. LFR has nothing from that or supports anything special.
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My server in vanilla had lots of guilds that had raided throughout the duration of vanilla, tbc and wrath and by lots I mean in the close to 100.
It’s normal to try treat those times as epic and say raiding was done by a small elite minority but it wasn’t.
And gear was hard to get and all that other nonsense.
It wasn’t
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