like when I said in this thread that The Hungering Cold INSTEAD of MCP or Ironfoe was BiS weapon for us or that we were gonna steal cloth gear for each and every slot?
lol git gud
Theloras do you actually have videos of Ret paladins doing not terrible DPS with your item build? Iâm curious to see.
Thereâs a bunch of raid parses linked above that prove heâs a clueless turd, just go check those out.
Feel free to use the DPS spreadsheet created by Despotus yourselves:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1avNLAbTb7bgsI_pYHK6xz9g8LBCLZvn94c_FfqF8pnc/edit?usp=sharing
and you can join our discord here as well:
https://discord.gg/7ces3kZ
The Hungering Cold says you never answered Thelorasâ questionâŚ
never mind the fact that you are quite literally crying over spilled milk since that playstyle wonât exist anymore after August 27th lol
My game plan as a Feral druid is to run flags with a premade up to R12 possibly R13 and rock this build pre-AQ https://tinyurl.com/y5bms2ne.
Itâs funny how most of the best hybrid DPS items are post-itemized PVP gear.
Spreadsheets are cool, but do you have a link to a Ret paladin video with them killing it on the DPS meter?
I think the 4 class dps is a little overblown.
I raided vanilla in a guild that cleared aq40 up to cthun and a couple of the easier bosses in naxx. We obviously werenât cutting edge server firsts but we still were a top 3 guild by the time bc came out. We raided consistently with an ele shaman, 4 hunters, a feral Druid, and a rank 14 lock specced SL and thatâs just what I can remember off the top of my head. Iâm also pretty sure one of our mages stayed frost for aq. Heck I was even one of 2 rogues speced 31/8/13 because I hated combat and it was somewhat viable in PvP/PvE.
Point is, show up on time, clear trash, and donât do stupid stuff and youâll likely be able to play whatever you wanted up through aq40. If you plan on joining a âhardcoreâ progression guild expect quite a bit more difficulty playing the class and or specs you want.
Have you never gone back to play an old game just to try something different?
I often go back and play Resident Evil 4, and the most efficient way is to make ample use of one of each weapon category, using stun melee combos to conserve ammo. However, that just gets boring running the same âbest buildâ over and over.
Often times Iâll try to run through the game using only one weapon, never upgrading it, or even just using the knife alone. Itâs incredibly difficult and horribly inefficientâŚbut itâs fun.
For RPGâs in particular, I donât see why it comes as a shock at all. RPGâs are all about building your own character, using their strengths to cover for their weaknesses. If they canât be covered for, then they team up with allies of different abilities. There are most efficient, optimal builds, but that entirely misses the point of an RPG in the first place.
You can go through KotOR 2 as a Sith Lord, exploiting the overpowered Force Storm effect with high wisdom or charisma modifiers - undoubtably the best build in the game, but what if thatâs not the character you want to play? What if you want to play a force-wielding Jedi Consular who doesnât care to use lightsabers, and only uses blasters? What if you want to just not use force powers at all, but just get medieval with a sword the whole time? Thatâs the real point of an RPG - not necessarily a loot treadmill to build the most powerful copy/paste character, but to build your own character and reap whatever rewards and consequences it entails.
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But that involves thinking you need to min-max totally with all your raid to complete any van raid content which isnât the case. The only argument total min maxing has an argument for is Naxx and even then itâs more of a guideline then an actual rule. You will want to have a good amount of âmetaâ picks but to say you canât have any Ele shams or Ret paladins etc. in order to down bosses is rediculous
Not to be rude, but whining that Retadins canât be good when math shows otherwise is just asinine. I mean, we canât know with absolute certainty how good they will be.
On the other hand⌠math existsâŚ
This is a little stupid now.
Feral Druids and Retadins are not Enhancement Shamans. They can actually DPS. Yeah, they might not beat the top four DPS routinely, but they can still be quite good.
Again, we wonât know for a good while. But, arguing like you know the facts ahead of time and ignoring the math is just⌠sillyâŚ
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No they canât and no it doesnât. It very specifically shows the opposite and yes we can cause weâve had this for 15 years and people are screaming and crying for â#NoChangesâ and trying to get a faithful recreation of the thing that was around 15 years ago. They were trash then and without changes they will be trash again.
As it stands now, weâre slated for a recreation with no changes, no tweaks, no balance, no nothing.
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Pretty much, at least for hardcore guilds. Casual guilds wonât care for the most part.
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Youâre too sure of something that can be shown to be false. Thatâs not smart.
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Go look at some raid parses and dummy parsesâŚ
The only way True hybrids do well is when the fight mechanics allow them to. They do not perform to par with other classes when that is not the case, and rarely if ever surpass them even when it is.
Denying facts that have been plainly known for over a decade is what isnât smart.
Even if you account for the utility they bring, an Enhancement Shaman will always be worth less than just bringing another Fury Warrior, especially since you can get the same utility an Enhancement Shaman would offer from a Restoration Shaman⌠or a Holy Paladin instead of Ret or Prot⌠or Restoration Druid instead of Balance or FeralâŚ
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I think youâre confusing my want for practical viability with wanting to be the bestâŚ
I want my class fantasy and the ability to do what I was told I could do. I played a Shaman in Classic for hundreds upon hundreds of hours and the best decision I ever made was rerolling to a pure class⌠because despite what my kit very clearly indicated to me⌠I could not be a viable Tank⌠or DPS⌠I could be a healer or get carried through content assuming I ever found someone willing to suffer the presence of an Enhancement or Elemental Shaman.
You have no clue what youâre talking about.
Comparing Druids, Paladins and Shaman specs that way is so stupid to begin with.
You sound like such a kid.
Retadins have much more usefulness as a DPS than an Enhance for starters. Feral is just flat out better than Resto at the end of the day.
Iâm saying this again. Quit talking like you know anything.
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You are delusional if you believe this.
Either way, since you retorts are âLul u sound like teh kiddoâ Iâm going to assume youâre bowing out of this conversation due to having nothing insightful or otherwise useful to contribute.
Have a good one.
Lol⌠okay w/e.
Youâre clueless.
Enhance isnât comparable to Ret at all, and a single Feral accomplishes way more with middling DPS and Off-tanking and LotP than a single Resto Druid will accomplish with mediocre healing.
Itâs not even close. You kids need to stop acting like you know anything.
I donât know what world youâre living in, but this is just comically inaccurate and patently incorrect.
There you go with the âYou kidsâ crap again.
Because you literally have nothing to add that isnât just straight up trollingâŚ
Like I said. Have a good one. Come back and try again if you manage to think up something insightful.