Is it time for PI to die?

The easy fix for it is make it only useable on the priest that is using it. So we don’t get some top 10 parse on warcraftlogs where some guy gets 20 of them in a fight.

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Then the boss dies faster, I am completely missing how this is a bad thing,

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It never ends!

The humanity!

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That sounds like a solution looking for a problem to me.

Regardless of how easy that would be to implement, I actually agree with Blizzard when they say that they don’t want to needlessly limit their creative space to never include external buffs. As it stands, I don’t see PI as a problem that needs fixing so why should we implement the solution at all?

Better solution is to remember that warcraftlogs rankings don’t actually matter.

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are we talking about gameplay, or your personal social experience in M+?

sorry, these GD posts are all over the place

Startin’ to sound real heretical here.

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Well, that argument is just irrational.

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I know I know it’s absolute blasphemy. People using analysis tools as yardsticks to measure their e-peen with instead of the useful tool that they are is the root cause of a lot of MMO community problems. Not just limited to WoW.

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you’re just mad you don’t get PI’d.

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They do matter to those of us who like parsing to try and get a high ranking. If you don’t care about them that is fine but some of us do.

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It’s ok, unless you play demo lock you don’t either :rofl:

Didn’t they change it so PI logs are marked already, just change it so they have an entirely separate ranking for them when you get PI as not a priest, label them as cheese logs and have the counted % parses only take ones without them. That seems like a 3rd party display issue more then a problem with the spell itself.

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Oh I’m well aware that people care about it very much since they always come out of the woodwork to inform me that they care about them very much. It’s still an entirely external third party ranking system that is only tangentially related to the game that Blizzard created. So I’m not sure why Blizzard is under any obligation to change WoW for the sake of a ranking system that they neither maintain nor support. Sounds to me like your beef is with warcraftlogs, not with Blizzard. So go ask them to credit the extra damage done by someone buffed with PI to the Priest rather than the buff receiver. After all, they do that very thing on their sister site for FF14 since external buffs are significantly more common there to the point that some classes have deliberately lower personal damage to make up for how much damage they give to the rest of the group.

The goal in group content is not actually to do the most damage ever. It’s to work with your team and do everything in your power to beat the content. Frequently that goal and the goal of maximizing your own personal damage are aligned, but they are not always. By turning your damage into a scoreboard you’ve transformed your teammates into your competitors and that’s not quite the way raids were designed to be. I’ll certainly confess to a bit of competitive spirit on my own part with my guild members because it is a fun game to play, but Blizzard should never make design decisions around it.

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No it’s a spell and social issue by far. 3rd parties are a side effect, not a cause.

i get PI all the time, i even made a weakaura for it, my next goal is to get the weakaura to auto /thank the casting priest, im generally not sure who PIs me unless they tell me or i take time to check the combat log.

the rankings have nothing to do with 3rd parties. they just collect the data and sort them from lowest to highest. I quit reading 3 lines in because of that statement.

But if they display them seperate and don’t let them interfere with non PI cheese logs it would be less of a problem. Don’t count them when they do the normal % checks that all the guide and information websites draw from, leave them as a separate in a disclaimer section so normally competing people dont even have to consider them.

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What rankings are you referring to? Blizzard does not rank players by damage anywhere. The only rankings Blizzard themselves maintain are the hall of fame, which is awarded to guilds, not individual players.

Warcraftlogs rankings are entirely third party, because Warcraftlogs is not in fact Blizzard.

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I do know they give the damage to the buff giver in FF14 but for whatever reason it must be harder to calculate on WoW they went with the route of putting a number of times they got PI next to the ranking basically saying they were helped by external buffs but then they still get counted for ranking purposes which is kind of dumb.

Warcraftlogs probably should do better some amount of damage should just get shifted to the PI giver.