Is It Griefing (and ban-able) when

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Of course there is Nobully, it’s like if i used your argument and said any speech is free speech in game, and we no longer banned people who used ethnic slurs because, guess what, it’s part of the game.

There is no motive or incentive to camp a lowbie in their areas in terms of currency like honor, or other wise.

There is no incentive at all. In fact the only “incentive” they have, is griefing. So under what argument can you suggest that is “Fair game” other than something you probably do out of boredom?

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Read ToS about Griefing, look up what Griefing is, understand the meaning of the word, understand the ToS.

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no, it’s not like that.
people have agreed to not use slurs.
…and free speech doesn’t exist in game.

why does there need to be an incentive?
what’s wrong with them doing it simply because it’s part of the game?

if it’s causing you grief, take a different option.
level somewhere else, it’s a big world.

there’s nothing fair about wpvp.

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read the support article in relation to pvp.

If you do not wish to engage in open world PvP combat in World of Warcraft, disable War Mode

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Exactly, and free choices don’t either. Because harassment, and Griefing are very much a variety of the same thing, they are in the ToS, and they are bannable.

Because if what you’re doing is considered harassment then it takes away incentive to PvP, sort of why most PvP servers are overwhelmingly horde, or Alliance and PvP is almost non existent in those servers for that reason.

The incentive loses value ,and all you’re left with is toxic trolls who don’t actually care about PvP, they just want to harass people leveling up, then whine about the imbalance of the PvP Servers they’re performing toxic behaviors in.

So all in all, it’s not even just about the Griefing/Harassment taking place, it’s one problem caused by them, that has led to an attrition rate in PvP participants all around. So there is no benefit to either groups in this, and if people enjoyed PvP as it is now, being body camped at low levels by guys at max levels and geared, then yeah, that’s not PvP, that’s just harassment. That’s not part of the game, that’s a behavior that is extended outside the game, and falls under the term “Griefing”.

Bro Your answer is ridiculous because others shouldn’t have to suffer through body camping for an XP Bonus. In fact, I would just make the XP bonus flat, and then PvPer’s can see what’s left of it as no one participates. So a few bad eggs are ruining it for the entire servers because they think body camping a lower level is “PvP”. Just like if an adult beat up a child, that’s “Fair game” right? Maybe they should just go some where else, it’s a big world, right? Forget the ToS we will cherry pick what we want, lets not actually stand up for right vs wrong.

Hell if i used your argument towards any woman who was being harassed, they’d look at me like i’m stupid. You should feel that way using that argument. No one should be told “You have to deal with body camping, because you consented to PvP” , while the definition of PvP can’t actually take place, as you just have high levels camping lowbies they one shot, which isn’t a Player vs Player, there is no “vs”, it’s just GG, one shot.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/dfw4j8/mate_got_banned_for_pvping_in_pvp_zone/

Yeah, well again, read what is at the bottom of the others, and many others are being banned for this behavior as well, i’m advising for a more mature fix, in contrast to banning people for pvping, prevent them from trolling lowbies. It’s not a fight for them anyways, and not worth any honor.

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Did you just compare being killed in a video game like harassing women? Lord…

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Who necro’d this?

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I miss the old “Blood will be spilled” post…

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A cheesed off DK.

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Well I guess we should give him that he didn’t start his on thread.

Besides that let me guess what happened cause I’m not scrolling up on a year old thread.

Said DK went out in WM. PvP happened. Said DK got camped and killed over and over again. Said DK came here to QQ.

Easy solution, don’t turn on WM .

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Right on the money! Have a :taco:

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Nah, i didn’t get camped, this isn’t about me personally, but it’s something i’ve seen consistently. Especially in red ridge and other places where all i see is people getting camped by higher levels in lowbie areas for no reason.

Easy solution, ban the dicks.

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I love how people are saying “Turn off warmode” aand not reading the part where the OP wants to turn off war mode but they won’t let him leave the graveyard.

That said, they are very much reportable for logging onto opposite faction toons just to taunt you and harass you. Right Click report.

If the camping lasts more than like 24 hours, open a ticket about it, because they might find it meets the rules of Zone Disruption. Even back when there were PvP realms, a guild got banned for locking down Honor Hold in Hellfire for over 24 hours. GMs ruled it was zone disruption.

Personally, I’d log onto a 120, start an LFG group for “Big World PvP Event” explain in the details, and start making a group to kill them all.

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Yeah, that is often what i end up participating in, and baby sitting red ridge is getting really old, and the lowbies are about as tired of that, as many others are.
Eventually when people will no longer participate, the lowbies get screwed.

Not to mention the “average” aka elitist PvP player have the temperament of a pregnant bear.

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No, but it solves the issue of not being able to get back to a major city in order to turn War Mode off. /shrug

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“killed in a video game to harassing women”

You mean harassing people in general?

Why is one context less worse than in RL?

Harassment can be done in RL, without being in person, i’m guessing you’re not aware of this, in fact a form of harassment can be cyber stalking, and other aspects. Either way, harassment of any form can’t really be argued in favor of, unless you personally believe that is okay.

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True, but i actually love PvP, but, at the same time, you can’t on the one hand defend this behavior and expect PvP to be an active event, when it’s been dying over the years and even dipping even further in some expansions than others due to changes, but the behavior has contributed quite a bit.

While everyone tries to justify it, they’re too busy complaining about the lack of PvPer’s and don’t comprehend why no one agrees with them.

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nah, just yeah.

i’m not going to believe some random on reddit.

i have no idea of the circumstances beyond what the third party is claiming.

if someone shuts down an entire zone for days on end, yes, GMs may look at that.

he can walk to another one.

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i can already see you replying again.

here’s a blue post which may help clarify things.
(i doubt it though, you seem to be convinced your opinion trumps policy)