Is Horde RP making a comeback?

Wyrmrest Accord
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you keep it up and imma storm your gate!

(ive no idea what the game is about)

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You raise a good point. If the Gnomes want a second chance at a capital, they can earn it like the Horde did and commit and be forgiven for multiple genocides and war crimes.

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Hello. Have we met before?

Looks around obviously searching for something.

Hmmm… I don’t see any chairs.

Would somebody mind giving me a boost so I can properly greet this Blood Elf by mussing up his hair?

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The Night Elf gets it. I don’t believe in coincidences. First, strange Gnome spec ops stuff happening right under our noses in Dun Morogh. Second, Teldrassil falls and on the surface it looks like the horde did it. Now, Gnomes asking for a new capital city.

The truth is out there. I can smell it.

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I’ve said it once, and I’ll say it a thousand times again.

Neo-Gnomeragon. Scavenged from the irradiated remains of Gnomeragon, a floating technological marvel, a conglomeration of the best Gnomish technology, science, magical knowledge and ingenuity, to create a floating city to rival Dalaran in both scale and potential.

If you’re a Gnome or a Goblin, you stay the same size. Everyone else gets shrunken down to Gnomish scale, and if you do something to warrant your immediate expulsion from the city, you’d best hope they just teleport you out, because the final solution is just to cancel the miniaturization protocol on the offender and let them grow to full size in a space significantly too small to contain that much organic mass.

At least the new cleaning mechs with optional knife attachments will get put through their paces cleaning up the mess …

The Gnomes can go where they need to, they’ll never be at the mercy of Troggs or allies who see their plight as ‘secondary’, and its a floating repository of their knowledge and inventions, including alchemists that were able to make a better Blight that the Forsaken, engineers who were able to make the original super-reactors for Gnomeragon, mechanics who helped the Dwarves make and improve on their Steam Tanks and Flying Machines, and former adventurers who run the gamut from warriors in power armor derived from the model Gebblin himself uses, mages who have probably forgotten more magical theory than most Humans and Dwarves will ever learn, and a host of other characters who bring the uniquely inventive and crazily creative flair of the Gnomish mind to the table.

Nobody laughs at seeing a barrage of homing, explosive-laden Mecha-Chickens twice, after all…

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I think we will probably just disagree on this.

I guess you never heard of Final Fantasy 14 online then. Never heard stories of people camping online for over 8 hours at a time clicking a player housing sign repeatedly to try and get a house? Don’t hear about the hundreds of people that bid on one single plot every two weeks for years and years and years just in hopes of getting a house? Do people still play Fallout 76 and build their camps? Valheim? Minecraft? Did people play Star Wars Galaxies until it ended? Do they still play on their private servers? Do people spend real cash on ESO player housing? Wildstar Online? Horizons Empires of Istaria? Did people buy Everquest Landmark just because it was basically minecraft with better graphics? No Man’s Sky? Are people excited for Ashes of Creations node system? Did City of Heroes have player housing for guild bases? Is that game a big buzz topic right now? Are people playing Palworld cause it is basically Ark and Pokemon combined with player housing? New World Player Housing? Guild Wars 2 Guild Halls? Aion Online Player Housing? Star Trek Online ship interiors? Ultima Online Player Housing? Everquest 2 Player Housing? Free Realms Player Housing? Lost Ark? Wurm Online? Black Desert Online? Star Wars the Old Republic? Rift? Archeage? Lord of the Rings Online?

The list goes on and on and on. The amount of news articles and forum threads written about player housing for WoW is astonishing, and there isn’t a single big WoW content creator that hasn’t or doesn’t talk about it. Ever. It is discussed every single expansion, and will continue to be discussed. Way more than people discuss Torghast, Order Halls, Renown Tracks, Artifact Power, Covenants, Garrisons, Island Expeditions, Warfronts, Legendaries, and knowing Blizzard’s track record…probably delves as well.

What do all of these things have in common? Borrowed power. Temporary content that is shipped with hopes of being some form of noteworthy side content in an MMO. Only to be discarded the next expansion. They say Delves will be the next big thing, but they said that about Islands, Warfronts, Garrisons, Torghast, Covenants, Order Halls, and countless other things as well. Player Housing is the one thing that can be expanded upon where people can do it, and show it off to their friends…forever. Nobody can show off their delves.

“Hey you got that Renown 80 for your Covenant? Cool me too.”

Delves is just gear funnels in a different way. When you have a guy who was obsessed with raiding as game designer…he designs a game based off loot and dungeon and raid and game mechanics. It is all about the grind. Showing off the accomplishment of doing the game thing. Defeating the big bad. Claiming the treasure. Housing is and always be about what the PLAYER BUILDS into the game.

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looks up from his chores to poke his head out of the cave entrance

A floating gnome city you say? Be right back!

fumbles around the mess of boxes looking for his quill and notebook then quickly pokes his head back out of the cave entance

Miniaturization protocols? This sounds like that crazy gnome I heard about in Exile’s Reach who was exploding boars while trying to “dial in” some size adjusting gun of experimental design.

Hmmm… Would this “floating gnomish city” be permanently tethered so as not to randomly change locations whenever the gnomes decided it was in their “best interest” to do so?

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Funnily enough, we had a temporary player housing in Halfhill market

It was pretty barebones and it only helped cooking skills, which is PERFECT
You could also grow RP props, like trees on your lil farm and it was connected to a lil nearby community area

Now if I could just change the decor with some Thalassian assets, and maybe relocate the building (ruins of smc??) itd be great

Garrisons are a good start for guild bases

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I still use my Sunsong Ranch on multiple characters all of the time. Growing the crops each day for the mats to craft Sky Golems every month is a simple passive easy gold maker.

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you can grow mats for the skygolem???

ive been using it for trees!

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At this point, I would entertain the idea of Garrison upgrades. Take the existing Garrison concept, a plot of land inside an instance, and do several things with it:

  1. Add to the build.
  • Expand the number of plots so that we could have all the different types of buildings that are available and we don’t have to choose between them.
  • On top of the existing building choices, add new things like a zeppelin tower, an airfield, a tram, an underground tunnel, a portal room, a library, a cathedral, a dance studio, etc. If it exists in WoW, they should have the code to be able to add it to the Garrison. The new buildings wouldn’t even have to go through 3 tiers - just 1 questline and boom: library.
  1. Make it so it’s moveable.
  • This one feels like a no-brainer - let the players have a few different locations they can move to. It would involve changing where the Garrison entrance instance leads. Take it out of WoD content. Put it into Azeroth.
  • If a player chooses to move the Garrison, put a Dalaran-like crater on the site of their old Garrison location.
  1. Personalize it.
  • Remember how Blizz originally said we could change our Garrisons to reflect racial buildings? Do that.
  • Give us the ability to name our Garrisons and the individual buildings, choose which NPCs we do or don’t want showing up, add our alts to the Garrison if we don’t want to do a Garrison for every single alt.
  1. Make them connect.
  • Once you have a Garrison, tie it into other Garrisons, your Guild Hall, your alt’s Garrisons, etc. Create your own city.
  • Make them so you can have them opened to all others or closed to only the player or the player and whom they choose, whether they’re online or not.
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I think typically when you politely disagree with someone you just say that you do and don’t write a 500 word response several days later.

It’s a subjective discussion so all opinions are valid.

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Again I will say we disagree.

Not saying your opinion isn’t valid, but I never used the word politely either. I could have used less words to support my argument with a simple “Google Player Housing in MMOs”. Instead I did just that and merely listed all of them that did in fact support that adding player housing to an outdated MMO in my opinion wasn’t a stretch at all. I apologize if listing all of this statistical data bothered you in some way. I do value any data you have that supports that player housing would be harmful to this MMO.

I don’t really think Garrisons as a mention towards any substantial argument towards player housing has any sort of validity considering the amount of customizations one can have for Garrisons is probably less than twenty? Maybe thirty at best?

Dragonriding Customisations have more than that, and we don’t use them as supporting arguments for player housing even though the amount of positive feedback people have towards collecting those dragon customisations actually only further supports such arguments.

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Again, I think you’re overdoing it.
And you probably should aim to be polite in internet discussions. :heart_hands:

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Aim to be polite? Man… I’ve been firing from the hip.

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I can always appreciate an extended metaphor.

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Extended metaphor? I was crapposting but I’ll take the compliment.

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You can’t ask someone to refrain from writing a 500-word mildly aggressive response days later.

That’s part of our national character as a server.

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Practice what you preach?

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I made a thread a while back about whether people would be willing to cut down the new world tree in exchange for player housing. Unsurprisingly, most folks were all for it. I’m still figuring out the logistics with my team, but I want everyone to know that all of the wasted elf souls are spirit dust on your hands, not mine.

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