My point is… if science and medicine arent real to him, what is? Where does he draw the line? Certainly a skeptic such as himself wouldn’t dabble in something like religion, right? Or would he?
But i agree this is a better discussion for reddit than the wow forums. I am crossing the line here.
So you just ignore all the health care professionals, scientist and drs that came out and told the truth about covid and how wildly over blown it was?
I guess you’re ignoring the facts about what the vaccines have done to peoples health as well?
Thank you for saying that.
This is the only reason I brought it up. Plus it was mentioned before in the thread by you or Lazarak. I was NOT trying to start some totally off-topic to this forum debate.
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Well this escalated ridiculously
Anyways av ranking is boring/when fresh/buff wsg/etc
The reason rankers are only going for AV is because you can still get great honor per hour losing. In AB/WSG you get 0 honor if you lose 5-0 or 3-0. Which would be the case in premade vs pug. They have to overcome a lot of decay just to go up. Currently I need 337500 honor to break even and beat decay at Rank 12. If the decay was not there I could que all 3 bgs because every bit of honor would increase my rank %. I’m in no hurry to get Rank 14 and if took months to get in fine with it. With no decay myself and a lot of other players could actually reach it. I only play 1-2 hours a day. There is no way for me to reach 337500 let alone 500000 to go up. Blizzard would need to increase honor for the losing team in WSG 3-0 and AB 5-0 for anyone who is ranking to want to try. That creates a lot of other issues. Teams would intentionally lose if you still got more honor getting 5 or 3 capped in AB/WSG. If they got rid of decay and more people could reach rank 14 you would see an increase in AB/WSG and world PvP. Why because as I said before people who only have 1-2 hours a day would Que all 3 so you could play more quickly. I’m sitting in 15-30 min AV question. I’m going to guess most who ranked in the last month did it for pve. More Rank 14 would que the other bgs. Once we’ve reached rank 14 now we can play for fun without getting 1 shot and graveyard camped. Believe it or not people like to play for fun. Give a little to get a little. Stop the gate keeping with we need to keep decay. It’s the last system from classic. This server is over 4 years old. Adapt or watch it die. It’s basically a RMT cesspool that blizzard doesn’t care about because the bots/hackers/gold sellers pay their monthly fee. Or enjoy the game how it is now with no AB/WSG. Even the playing field in a non pay to win way and you will see more of what you want. All of us could go to the shady website and buy 100k gold for $100 and get tier 3. Some of us prefer not too. I have no desire to PvE/raid. I only enjoy PvP. The gear discrepancies on this server make it not enjoyable. Unless you have no job/life you will not reach rank 14 with the way queues are now.
We have already been over this in numerous threads.
Decay is not correlated with people not queing other BGs.
Gear is not correlated with people not queing other BGs. We already see that, as we have had waves of r14s finish and they are still not queing.
Decay is a necessary mechanism for this ranking system. You may not understand exactly how ye system works, and that is why you think removing decay is ok.
You would need a fundamentally different system for decay to not exist
There are skilled individuals on era playing in blues that dumpster rank 14s.
I know you think decay is stupid, but it is the mechanism necessary for resistance at all in the system. If you removed it in the old system you could jump to r14 in two weeks from rank 0
Wrath BGs seem to fit what you want better. The people who like that enjoy the fast currency grind to their PVP gear. It’s not as good as the arena gear but for some of that (the stuff without the rating requirements) many just do 10 yolo games.
This system has already been changed to make things all about a personal grind. To me, it already feels exactly like a bland, unmemorable, rep grind from Retail. You’re asking for it to be even more of one.
Raiders can take their PVE raid gear and PVP just fine for the most part. Yet despite all the Era T3 BiS players WSG and AB aren’t popping too often. For which the whys have already been talked about already.
Read above, he is correct. Of course im going to que av because its best Honor per hour and I cannot afford to take any time off due to decay. I would love to que ab and wsg but I would not be able to make cap doing so
I honestly believe that you will not be doing that.
All of those people who claimed they would when the system first changed, are not doing that.
They are rank 14 and they are not queing BGs.
It’s the same people queing that were always doing so.
When you finish your grind I’m sure we still won’t see you queing. That’s not a flame, I’m just being honest
Even if decay didn’t exist theoretically, you still would be in AV. Because it gets you there faster if you’re losing your wsg/ab games
How about increasing amount of ranks you can go up per week to 1-2. Similar to how it is now which if you knew that you wouldn’t have said this. You are so set on being miserable. Enjoy your AB and WSG!
As I said, an entirely new system is needed for decay to not exist dude.
You don’t even understand the system you’re ranking in. You don’t know wtf you’re talking about at all.
I’ve never been miserable tanking. Every rank I ever partake in I ALWAYS have fun. I literally look forward to it every server.
You said you don’t have but a few hours a week to play. Meaning you couldn’t rank in the old system and if you still can’t do it you aren’t really at a loss anyways.
Blizzard Never said they were going to make the rank easy or free. I’m sorry you had that impression
I have no sympathy dude. We all did it with 2 million caps. It has been cut by THREE fourths and if you can’t do it you need to just accept you do not have the ability to get this gear. It was never meant for everyone to have it. That just breaks the game
Maybe all the T3 and recent Rank 14s players enjoy only PvE. Maybe the pvpers have responsibilities outside of Azeroth and can’t reach 500k a week. Maybe it’s time to think outside the box. Decay is the reason you don’t see AB/WSG. You can’t earn enough honor to beat decay in either of them. If there was no decay I’m queuing all 3 and going whichever pops first because I’m not ice skating uphill anymore. Once I’m Rank 14 I’m queuing strictly AB/WSG because I can compete. Av is more pve and I do not enjoy it but it’s the necessary evil now.
This is how I know you don’t know wtf you’re talking about.
You don’t have the time required for the rank. Just accept that. The rank had never been easier. What do you want them to do, give you rank 14 at 400 kills?
Uhm… clearly you don’t have enough time to play the game, rank and even understand what’s going on. You don’t see AB/WSG because the rankers just want gear with minimal effort and AV is that avenue. I don’t like to spam queue AV but I’ll do it because that’s the way I can get my honor without really even having to look at my screen. Sucks but that’s the way it is. And then because everyone is in AV, even the people that do want to play those BGs don’t queue. People don’t queue AB/WSG because ofc the honor is way worst, but it also requires effort, and that’s it. Would there be more participation if they removed decay? Maybe. But as I’ve said, I’ve been queuing on and off and the people that are in those BGs are mostly not rank 14s. People aren’t ranking now to PVP they rank because they want gear, or a title. Is that everyone? No. But is it a significant amount of people? Probably.
I agree - the honor is mega bad and also requires people to play their characters. HPE vs HPH.
Compete with what? There’s people in blues and greens queueing WSG right now, that’s the type of people that are queuing, the people that don’t use gear as an excuse and own regardless. Is it optimal? No. But they love the game and understand that gear isn’t everything. Rank 14s aren’t queuing those BGs (probably because they got owned by players in blues rank 10 set one too many times).
I have a hard time buying this because typically when BGs have a queue for one side the meta is to queue all three, not sitting and waiting 20 mins for one. By queuing all 3 you make the best use of your wait time and increase your HPH. Even if you get stomped in some games.
Here is an example from my rank grind in March 2020:
So what you’re saying just seems backward to me.
Plus it is accurate to say that, of all the new R14s that claimed they would be doing WSG and AB, almost none of those players are now.
You can only go up a maximum of 4 ranks per week as it stands right now. They could easily change it to 1-2 ranks per week. So you have no decay and a max of 1-2 ranks per week. So 14-28 weeks or longer depending on amount of time you have to play. Why are we comparing it to the old system? That system is gone and is never coming back. It is universally considered the most unhealthy system there ever was. I’m proud of you guys who did 2 mil and you deserve a cookie. We are all older and do not have time to play like we once did. If you want them to increase ab and WSG honor for getting 0 objectives that’s fine too. That will just create it’s own issues. Having zero decay and a cap on rank increase every week won’t but you are against it. I know I won’t reach rank 14 as it is right now and I’m fine with that. At the same time you won’t get AB/WSG as it is right now. So advocate for what you want but try thinking from a different perspective than well I had to do 2 mil a week so should you. The way it is now no one is winning except bots lol.
Yeah they changed that because of an error on their part from the beginning.
Do you know HOW they did that? No you don’t.
If you remove decay but hardcap people by 2 ranks a week, that means it will require the same effort to rank from 0-2 as it would from 12-14. Because the determining factor of resistance from rank 0-2 and rank 12-14 is because of the decay coefficient AT EACH RANK.
Yeah I did it while working. I had to make sacrifices like everyone else like sleep/eating properly/getting enough sunlight etc
That’s entirely due to Eras demographic of players, not the Boogie man Rank decay. Era players are a whole different animal than 2019 players and it’s incredibly obvious to see.
Yeah I did. That’s why I welcomed the new system.
The new system is easier yes and less punishing, but NO WHERE did blizzard say they intended for the rank to be free/easy and you have zero proof to show for that
You also just flat out do not understand the fundamentals of the ranking system.
Remove decay and hardcap 2 rank maximums and rank 12-14 will feel exactly like it did from rank 0-2.
Maybe now you’ll understand
Despite my stance, I do see where you’re coming from. If AV wasn’t a meta I might even share your opinion tbh AV is perfect for AFK ranking especially on alliance since the queues are long enough that I can do things IRL in between. I wouldn’t be able to rank in the old system (nor the new one if the meta wasn’t AV), and if gear was really my concern, I’d just resort to getting PVE gear so I could play the occasional BGs more effectively/have more fun since obviously gear makes everything easier.
That being said, the reason why those BGs aren’t active is mostly because the majority of people that are ranking are looking for paths of least resistance. AV provides that and everyone knows that. It’s also the least engaging BG in terms of PVP combat, which I feel many people ranking aren’t fond of to start with. Therefore all the pug rankers are in AV, the “premade” rankers are also there because the pugs are there, and the people that keep WSG and AB alive are those that actually want games to last over 8 minutes.
Era rankers just want gear and a title and log off and feel good they accomplished something. They aren’t queuing jack after they reach rank 14 and we see this currently. Even on AB weekends where honor would be very good if not better than AV if you queued with a stack, people are still stuck in AV. Is it everyone? No. But it’s a very strong majority.