I know of tons of players who have moved on. Now, they would come back, but they don’t come back just for anything.
Even me myself I mostly play other things and irl, even though I still log on sometimes to putt around.
2019 fresh will never be recreated on the same astronomical scale and hype level. You either experienced it or you missed it.
I do think future seasons and etc CAN be really good. But I have my doubts those standards would ever be met fully.
I even loathe the thought of classic+ for this very reason.
There have been people that have offered to roll out the red carpet for people to come back and play some era, but understandably, era cannot scratch the same itch for those players no matter what they do. And I completely understand why.
If more of my base played era id play it more often. But even when I think about it, I still can’t see longevity in that either for me.
He can expect company when I reach my rank. I’m planning to simply weave WSG/AB in my spare time (not as much spare time as I’m giving to actually ranking of course…)
Why is it late? The hype around classic is still here. Especially with blizzcon coming up. They could get rid of decay next Tuesday and there would be more people queuing. Where did Blizzard address this a thousand times?
You are right. In era there is no AB/WSG, so why not try something easy and new. Get rid of decay. How could it be any worse? They can increase honor in both AB/WSG and people still won’t play them because of the gear discrepancy. You either no life rank or spend a few hundred dollars to get gear. For some reason you are scared of more R14 players. I don’t think you really want PvP. You want to pretend you want PvP on the forums.
Another neat side-effect of the change is that it’s very easy to recognize folks who got r14 before the change, because generally they will be people who have the gear but have de-ranked to ranks below r14. It makes it easy to identify those who did the grind in the “older” system and the new one which I think is fine/appropriate for those who still want to measure their achievement in some way.
Although it is possible for older r14s to simply re-grind up in the new system as well and I do know a few people who are actually doing that/have done that (crazy people).
Wow, that was a really intelligent response. You’re right, I am absolutely terrified of era rank 14s. I just love one-shooting people in blue gear. That really gets me hyped up. If anything, sounds like you’re scared of rank 14s, missed the boat ranking in 8 weeks like everyone else and now you just want to have an easier time because you’re playing on alliance and you’re facing queue times.
FWIW - I’m just stating facts. How many people have gotten rank 14, and you don’t see them queueing anything apart from the occasional AV (and there’s ofc Vixx, amen).
people don’t queue wsg and ab because they feel only geared people queue those bgs and they don’t wanna get stomped (they won’t even try and realize that’s not true though)
if they got rank 14 they would be able to compete with pombyebro, glannon and various others in blues
current rank 14 players are all on vacation together that’s why they don’t queue currently
new wave of rank 14 players built different, just need to get gear to play the game
People don’t queu wsg and ab because the path of least resistance tells them to go into AV.
It’s not even the honor/hour, it’s the effort level to attain that honor/hour metric, and the consistency of attaining it.
They COULD in theory get better honor/hour in wsg or AB… If they form their own premade, buy gold or GDKP to afford consumable spamming themselves to the max… Already more work than people are going to bother with, and that is before accounting that every other game is some random group of degens also premading (which, unless the opposing premade is garbo will at least slow you down somewhat) and before accounting for the queu timers for those bgs (which is a feedback loop of people not wanting to do those brackets because those brackets are premade infested degen fests that are ever less efficient for farming)
It’s like twinks in the low level brackets, who can’t figure out why no one but twinks enjoys low level pvp… It’s a self defeating system that punishes the majority of the playerbase so the super minority of players can stroke their own egos. SHOCKINGLY, most people finally have caught on to the scam, and just opt out.
It isn’t something you’re going to fix by just throwing more honor into wsg… The BG already overwhelmingly incentivizes running a premade over anything else, and all upping the rewards from WSG will do is further reinforce that. Twinks only thrive when they have non twinks to relentlessly slaughter… WSG premaders are much the same. Dead BG until THAT changes. Beyond that, you have the structure of how honor is awarded in wsg basically being an “all or nothing” scenario in many (or even most games)… Honor/rep is largely tied to flag captures… teams getting stomped then get nothing. Pugs against premades are 99% chance to get stomped, unless the premade is straight garbage.
AB, on the other hand, due to the nature of how it hands out honor MIGHT get more participation if the honor/hour where increased, but again you’ll still hit the issue where the honor/hour has to be boosted high enough that the average random will actually queu up there, and the moment they start doing that in mass, premades will get more popular to feed on them, and chase them back into AV. It’s a nature documentary predator/prey dynamic.
The guy literally just explained that its more honor/hour with a premade group 5 capping, but that takes way more effort than sitting semi-afk in a cave for 8 hours a day.
The ease of solo-queue and forgoing the need to create and cultivate a premade, and that infliction being applicable to everybody queueing for AV, is a massive, massive, massive boon for solo queue. Not just logistically, but socially as well for those who have no interest in making PvP a social experience.
The trade-offs are simply too good.
If you just buffed honor payout from AB/WSG by 3x, I guarantee you, regardless of how you feel about anything, people would immediately be mass solo-queueing for those.
Honor per hour for the average person, without the need to put in any effort to making a group, is the metric here.
Buffing WSG honor/hour in a vacuum does nothing but make it a better experience FOR PREMADES, not for pugs. Every game the pugs run into a premade they statistically auto lose, and get nothing. You underestimate just how much they’d have to buff honor/hour in wsg to get people to queu it en masse, especially when doing so would only dramatically increase the frequency of premades running it.
You can’t completely ignore the predator/prey dynamic between premades and pugs. As soon as the population of pugs increase, the premades will multiply and over farm their food source, driving the population of the pugs down, causing the premades to start starving again.
The only way you get the population of WSG crazy high is if premades facing only premades is still better honor/hour than AV… and by enough of a factor to negate the consume cost and effort spent organizing groups AS WELL AS making it so that pugging WSG and facing premade after premade still nets more honor/hour than AV.
A factor of 3 buff does literally nothing to change wsg vs AV dynamics, beyond a short term bump, imo. It’d still be inefficient