Nothing changed. Literally nothing.
AB and WSG weekend was still Premades stomping pugs. I think your issue is that now even the pugs will have gear to fight back.
There will be more premades in my opinion now that people can actually rank. Is that the issue? You guys don’t wanna face other premades?
And yet I’m 100% confident that if the honor was buffed in those BGs, solo-queuers would still absolutely switch to spamming them.
It’s really not more nuanced than that. AV simply provides the best average HPH for most playstyles at any given time of the day without any attention paid to forming a group.
I honestly highly highly doubt current rankers would queue for WSG/AB even if there were adjustments made to those BGs honor gains.
Yes, those BGs are a lot more “social”, there’s premades (or just strong players tbh), which all deter the more “casual” players. But even then, why queue a BG where your participation is somewhat crucial/more important for the success when you can just queue AV, be afk and still reach your honor goals. AV can be effortless. AB/WSG are not.
On top of that, I’m somewhat of the belief (which may be wrong) that some/alot of current era rankers are just kindda mindless gear collectors/title chasers, rather than actual PVP gamers which fits the bill of the AV rankers. They spam queue AV, afk, farm bots, dodge AB and WSG which arguably requires some PVP interactions and actually pressing buttons. It’s not all, maybe not the majority but it’s a good enough chunk.
As mentioned, the players with rank 14 don’t even queue those BGs now, without any HPH constraints. Yes, the queues are limited, although the queue master is still there. All I see is vixx, which is currently farming wsg rep.
There is also feedback loop as mentioned above where if queues are dead, people just don’t bother. Same with the WSG gamers, if your friends/other gamers aren’t queuing, you’re not either.
There are premades in AV right now.
But I do agree AB and WSG need massive honor buffs.
I would. AB and WSG are fun given. AV isn’t bad if you gank. We need a variety of bgs. The problem is AB and WSG honor is terrible.
I would 100%%%% love if premades would queue WSG and AB. My favorite time on era (for the little I played on NA and then on EU) was me and my friends/random gamers queuing into lifeismoot pre-made/ finner premades. Those were awesome games even if we lost even if it wasn’t best HPH (also didn’t care).
We need to convince the rankers that queue weaving is BIS
You can still que right now with a premade in ab and wsg weekend the pvp changes did not change anything in that regard. I don’t quite understand moo moos complaint.
The issues is the culture atm with GDKPs and RMT> not a lot of people are actually even queing right now. Fresh should Refresh the population.
its 100x easier to for people to buy gold and GDKP then BG for 50+ hours per rank
I do queue, most times it’s pretty dead though and it’s not just rankers, it’s the people that actually claim to like wsg too that aren’t queuing.
I don’t blame them tbh, most times it’s pretty heavily stacked in hordes favour, which makes the game pretty unbalanced and unfun for both sides, people stop queuing, the queues die.
But I will say that most times, the only people keeping those bgs alive are not people ranking. Especially on non-weekends. I recall seeing in the ranking discords the leader saying that WSG honor was dog and that even if it was the weekend they’ll queue AV, so that’s what everyone did.
Imagine though if people that already ranked and those that are just playing for fun would all queue and have a blast… put their shiny new gear to work? Non. Post rankers sit AFK, gamers dodge or think they’re too good for pug games, and here we are dead queues.
If the the gains were enough they undoubtedly would.
It’s true that the “lack of responsibility” accounts for at least some benefit to those types of rankers but…not as much as I think you’re implying.
If AV isn’t nerfed I doubt it and frankly if I were in their shoes I wouldn’t either. I can quite literally afk, maybe do some work, watch a movie, do some housework, do a little workout while queuing AV.
As a ranker right now, it’s not about how much honor I can get in a week (old system), it’s just about if I can reach 500k in a week with the least amount of effort (new system) which there is a nuance here to consider. If I have to choose between not being afk for 30 hours or being semi afk for 50 while I’m at home anyway, I wouldn’t choose the former. The effort is not even on the same scale. If I can reach my goal of 500k or 420k with very little effort just more time while still being able to tend to other things, most people will choose that. Add on top of that people that aren’t particularly fond of PVP but are just ranking for gear or title, they ain’t leaving the snow lol
Here’s an example of a humorous video that was made to make fun of how people were AFK grinding AV to reach rank 14 back in classic 2019:
https://youtu.be/oH3o8oLXw8c?si=selKlxbTOS_AnFB1
Really? The point I was trying to make earlier was that you could AFK grind AV to rank 14 in both systems. It’s not an inherently new problem just because of the ranking change.
What the ranking change did is get a lot more people pvping due to no rank decay and a lower maximum cap.
The problem is that pre-mades have gone out of style with the current community, so some incentive needs to be created.
This should be clear by my posts to you that you have blatantly decided to not answer.
From what I gather you care about two things #1 Gear #2 Yourself.
That’s it.
I don’t think the game catering to this self-centered mentality is good in any way and that’s why I said that but no it’s not my call ultimately and Blizzard seems to not get what made “Vanilla” fun so I do have to deal with that.
I honestly have no idea what you mean. I love pre-mades and I want them to come back more than ever, so I have no idea what you are on about.
I’m just correcting revisionist history.
AV afk/botting as a critique of the current system isn’t really valid because it was a thing both before and after the change.
It’s the players who have abandoned the premade approach that needs fixing, and that can only be done at this point through incentive buffs. Metas come and go, players learn and adapt and change their optimal methods and right now, premades are the loser, simple as that.
I agree - it’s a player problem more than anything but it’s also that in the past, afk av wouldn’t have been that viable since the HPH that method would yield would have likely not been good enough to compete with the players actually playing the game.
In this current system, it’s no longer a competition between players on a ladder, it’s an individual challenge to reach a certain amount of honor in a given week, whatever way you can get it. As we discussed, on horde anyway you couldn’t just afk AV to get rank x>8 basically because of the queue times were way too long and it would be pretty much impossible to compete with the average solo queuer, let alone the premades.
It’s a bit of a speculation that things would be different though, I’ll admit. But if it were the old system, maybe there would be premades since HPH would matter a lot more than now, where what matters is HPE (effort) given honor > x, or simply the player base would be different given that.
Therefore, ya it’s the players, but also perhaps the system.
Players who resorted to methods like this usually didn’t do it on extremely active or popular servers with competitive brackets.
BGs were cross realm, but server brackets were not, meaning it was common for people to transfer to these lower end servers for a bit, earn the r14 “easy” and then transfer back, without their BG queues taking a hit.
Obviously on Faerlina this would have been difficult to do against competitive honor grinders in 2019.
What I will concede is that this sort of planning is really no longer needed for this method, you can just do it right here on Whitemane cluster because there are no more brackets, and that’s probably what makes the issue more “present” to most people, but you just have to remember that just because we ourselves were in premades all day grinding away with the boys…these other people doing it this way were still out there, just afking all day in AV to their 500-700k bracket 1 caps on dead servers.
No. It’s not that.
Again, if I played to flex gear I’ve had 4 clones on Era for a long time that have not been touched pretty much at all. I could have been ganking like crazy, on both sides, as Era people were leveling and doing BGs. I did not do either of these.
To give the new system a real shot I ranked this toon to R12 I post on who is on a dead server where I could only get greens. I kind of felt bad for my team as my gear was bad but I was active so I contributed more than the semi afk people.
You’re wrong.
I was willing to accept this as possible before the new system came out. This has not happened at all. I do blame both the Era population being a very selfish one and this change for attracting those who have no desire to play with others in an MMORPG as these same people felt “gatekept” before and angry about the idea of playing with others or taking one for the team by doing things like playing a holy instead of a ret pally.
Even though you claim nothing has changed at all.
Some people are trying to get the competitive premade WSGs going again (a huge props to them) but it’s an uphill battle. Yes if the right people came back this could happen, but it’s obvious why people do not want to as it means being surrounded by this playbase of self-obsessed people who do not even try.
??? Its ERA on a 5 year old server…
WAIT, WAIT WAIT… You guys are talking about RIGHT NOW and not the future of classic?/
Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
bro stop half the player base isn’t even on classic. Fresh will bring tons of people back. Ofc nothing is different its literally 99% GDKP gearing and waiting rooms.
The pvp change def had pvp popping off for a wile though. That is a fact, pvp was dead outside of av weekend.
This entire time i was reading yalls complaining and crying as if it was about Fresh classic and you’re talking about right now in ERA lol…
You guys crack me up
Yes.
I’m not sure why you think this thread is about fresh.
The OP asked about Era, the thread is discussing Era, the change is what happened on Era.
We don’t know what will happen in the next fresh/season/classic+. We don’t know how this PVP change comes in (I do expect things to be similar to this but nothing is for sure).
Things may be different on a fresh with PVP. I’m waiting for it. I have friends who do not play now waiting for it (making it even more exciting as people are what I play for by far). I WILL BE PVPing with friends and if that’s blocked I’ll quit.
Now the thing is that this “season” might not even be “Vanilla”. I’m not going to play the other expansions again. I will give any “Vanilla” version a try though just as I always try Retail even though I end up not playing that for very long each time. I was willing to give the Era honor change a try and did.
I don’t know how to respond to that as I was feeling pretty ignored after saying the same thing like 5 times to you and probably 20 in the thread but some of my posts are long so whatever.
Yes, but this isn’t a good thing. Blizzard in the past did a lot of suspending for the AFKs, but it’s harder to catch those playing but not trying at all.
The way I see it is that changes to the game attract certain people and discourage others from playing.
This change attracted a crowd who felt “gatekept by mafias” before. They are ranking now, happy that they finally get to check off a box. They flocked to this. They haven’t improved things though as they do not do well on a team and that was the problem at the start.
The losers are those who like to play with others and didn’t feel “gatekept” because the majority of the time people weren’t. Really. Taking into account differences on servers. Some were worse off.
Maybe you think that the exact same people would play Era regardless but I’ve lost so many WoW friends due to changes and things Blizzard has done. Every one of my like-minded friends has quit along the way now in Wrath. I did too. I was running a guild. I kept playing way after I wanted to because of that guild and wanting to be there for people but I just couldn’t do it anymore and a work schedule change gave me an excuse to leave. One guy quit 2 weeks after me and messaged me and was like “I quit because you did, the game didn’t feel the same anymore”. That felt awful but maybe he was just as ready to go too.
When I throw my all at the game with other people in mind, and those who only care about themselves get rewarded by Blizzard with changes like this one, time and time again, it tilts me - and I’ll say it.
I kind of saw “Era” as an escape from the way things were in Wrath but if the player base appears to have the same mentality of being all about themselves… and to me that’s really sad.
That’s my gripe.
because talking about the changed in ERA is absolutely pointless giving the state of ERA. My bad fam