Hey Kaivax thanks for the swift response, i was wondering when you are here could you give the community a little refresher on what you guys consider griefing/exploiting and what you don’t? If you look at this thread its very evident that we do not know.
Staying dead then ressing to dispel buffs, sapping ony heads?
Exploiting terrain to get behind ubrs, above ubrs, under/over org, behind RFC etc?
Second account stances - the /who list is very powerful and tons of people have second accounts which can easily be used to follow people. Say Asmongold is leveling a new rogue and I used a second account to constantly find him and kill him, griefing?
Let’s be totally real here, he ‘apologized’, but everyone apologizes when they get caught being scummy. Wake me up when he, without being prompted, or forced, takes a 6 month vacation that his victim would have had if Blizzard hadn’t overturned it.
Personally I do not agree with all the Arlaeus shaming. The GM was the main offender in this situation. He is the one getting paid to handle CS issues/tickets. The streamer got mad, knew he had a friend in Twitch chat, and called out to him for help. I’m sure if Arlaeus had thought it through he would have maybe tamped down his whining about it…
My main point is that streamers are not professional nor should we expect them to be. Game Masters, yes, they should be held accountable.
Let’s do a thought experiment, just for the sake of argument. Let’s say that I’m playing WoW Classic, and someone does something I don’t like. I know that I have a GM buddy, or at least contact with one, who knows if they were “buddies”. I convince the GM to ban someone, and then follow by giving them something with monetary value.
As just some rando player, what should happen to me in that situation? I think everyone is in agreement what should happen to the hopefully former GM, but I’d like anyone to claim that the person who initiated this fiasco should face zero punishment.
It’s not a question of them being a streamer, or how professional they are. From the accusation, a player got a GM to ban another player, for what was clearly not TOS breaking behavior, and then gave them something with monetary value.
I agree with you on principle, but disagree that weaponizing a GM for your personal gain is something you should be punished or shamed for. One person is a player and one is a Blizzard employee. The Blizzard employee, any way you can possibly slice it, needs to be the one to take charge of the situation. They have all the power regardless. The streamer can do nothing by themselves. The human being behind the computer screen with the title of GM, paid by Blizzard, only has the power to ban someone. They click that final button and they’re paid by Blizzard to do that. The buck stops there. In this situation, the GM enabled the streamer to use their friendship for personal gain. IF the GM had done their job properly, none of this would have happened.
My main argument is that GM’s should not be friends and hanging around streamers so much that something like this happens. Its clearly a conflict of interest. The GM has to be the adult in this type of situation.
That’s a tough situation though, ultimately. Personally I am friends with people that work on the development team in Retail wow. I feel like it would be inappropriate from a personal relationship standpoint that we could no longer be friends just because he has a hard input on the game that I play so much.
Both sides need to behave. Streamerboi shouldn’t be going out of his way “HEY WANT TO BAN SOMEONE FOR GRIEFING?!?!?!?!” to a GM in his chat, friend or not, just because he’s an abysmally bad player when it comes to PvP behaviour.
At the same time, the GM should 100% know better than to ever advertise his gamer tag and start handing out punishments to other players as a favour to his favourite streamer.
Neither side is innocent at all. He’s a piece of trash for going out of his way to abuse his personal relationships for personal gain.
GM is a piece of crap for abusing his professional position for his personal relationships.
Here’s the thing, it would be a complete NON ISSUE if the GM had done his job. Part of his job is regulating player behavior if it violates TOS. He had a perfect opportunity to do just that when Arlaeus asked him to ban someone for dispelling him, and he didn’t, and it looks like he didn’t do that specifically because they have a non-professional relationship.
I am also friends with people that work for Blizzard. I would never ask them to “ban somone” or “fix this” because that would put them in an awkward situation.
Hell, I felt awkward as all hell even asking him for one of the “BLIZZCON” patches that the staff were randomly handing out last year. I can’t imagine asking him for a favour in game
Technically that’s what the streamer did, but the dispeller guy is very devious, and well known for doing it on their server. The trick is that the priest is already dead, at the BWL summoning portal. As a ghost, near your body, you can still see where people are (to give you some shot at escaping corpse camping), and he waits for a target to res.
Still totally legit though, it’s a jerk move, but it is a PvP server. PvP happens on PvP servers, even the scummy kind of PvP.