Is dispelling World Buffs now bannable?

[Shiromar-malganis (Shiromar)]

streamer lives,

dispeller banned for 6 months.

gm probably fired during covid.

[Bozho-frostmourne]

@Bodicca-westfall

That’s great. The streamer apologizes, now what about the corrupt GM?

Exactly. The player’s actions aren’t the ones to be questioned. A GM should be held to a higher power.

[Luuni-area-52]

Again, you’re broadcasting your gameplay. It’s like me streaming myself playing poker and then the guy across the table from me watches my stream to find out my cards.

If you don’t want people to look at what you’re doing, don’t stream. If you do stream, well people watch.

[Norunkai-stalagg]

@Rathia-deviate-delight

I was Horde and he was a male night elf hunter with a stupid looking face

I don’t know why but that little detail made me laugh really hard.

[Donkles-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Oh, absolutely questionable.

But if my bank automatically allows 5 dollars to be deposited in my account without me even being aware of it, is that accepting a bribe?

If someone shovels my walkway in the winter without asking, is that accepting a bribe? It’s probably worth around 5 dollars and it’s something I equally can’t undo.

[Bozho-frostmourne]

That’s assuming that the streamer is the only player negatively impacted from it. In a competitive team game, the game is ruined for everybody if a player’s aim is to troll the streamer and not to complete a shared objective.

Many modern games have incorporated stream sniping into their ToS. Regardless how you feel about it, if you break ToS you are accountable.

[Zaalg-mankrik-1054545]

@Bodicca-westfall

What if you’re fighting and you dispel your opponent’s buffs, but he kills you and lives? Should you be banned for dispelling his buffs?

This is the problem and why Blizz can never say dispelling is bannable. It’s a class ability…that players are using…to do exactly what it’s designed to to. There’s a million scenarios and Blizz can’t monitor them all, and it’s impossible to dictate intent. Not that intent matters anyway.

What’s next? Ban priests for mind-controlling players and jumping them off a cliff? For warlocks fearing you into a packs of npcs that gets you killed, etc, etc. What actually needs to happen is players need to accept joining a pvp server has consequences. Deal with it.

In terms of this situation…the GM should be fired, and the ban lifted.

[Luuni-area-52]

I’m confused, who is everyone that this priest ruined the game for by debuffing? Most guilds on the server I played on specifically didn’t stream until they were in the dungeon/raid for this exact reason.

Turn off your stream if you don’t want your world buffs sniped.

[Bozho-frostmourne]

@Luuni-area-52

I’m confused,

@Bozho-frostmourne

I will say, stream sniping doesn’t really translate as well to WoW. It doesn’t share nearly the same impact as other games.

Yeah, I wasn’t talking about WoW.

You mentioned streamers complaining about sniping. This is a rare occurance for WoW streaming while is very much present with Twitch as a whole.

Context.

@Luuni-area-52

Like, you’re broadcasting your location to everyone. It’s not cheating if people look at where you are, you’re making that information public. It’s like broadcasting yourself committing a crime and then telling the judge “well the witness stream sniped me!”

Let’s take a different approach. A person stalks another person and harasses them at home. “But she had her information public!”

It’s still harassment. Broadcasting isn’t a crime. I don’t believe cheating is implied.

[Bitongo-faerlina]

i dont even care about the streamer, the real problem here is this GM

[Luuni-area-52]

I figured this was about WoW. Because other streamers have had this happen to them and then they just stop streaming for an hour or so. Happened to Swifty a few times years ago.

I mean in WoW, even if you’re a streamer, some people set up separate accounts to track the opposite faction to see where the player is. Then they can go to that zone and scout for them to camp them.

I don’t really care about the streamer in this case. Plenty of streamers complain about being stream sniped. The bigger issue is that an Activision Blizzard employee played favorites with a customer. They should be reprimanded or fired because that just ruins the reputation of Blizzard’s CS team which is pretty stellar in the game industry.

[Zaalg-mankrik-1054545]

@Bozho-frostmourne

Let’s take a different approach. A person stalks another person and harasses them at home. “But she had her information public!”

It’s still harassment.

LOL, people are really pulling out ridiculous comparisons.

Let’s talk reality. A priest in a video game used a class ability to dispel a buff from another player in a video game. The purpose of that very skill. And people want that player punished. Craziness.

[Germies-moon-guard (Germies)]

Update: According to a post in Arlaeus’ discord, the streamer who asked the GM in his twitchchat to ban the dispeller, the GM was fired today.

We’re just taking this guy’s word, which is probably all of the confirmation we’re going to get.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/715608388687626351/733773975263510619/unknown.png

Second update:
Footgodx, the player banned, just posted in the server discord that he was unbanned:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/715608388687626351/733775957831450745/unknown.png

Justice has been served.

[Bozho-frostmourne]

It can be hard to prove that a player is targeting you on a personal level or if in fact, it’s just honest PVP.

If there’s evidence of constant harassment, there’s a case to be made. I’m not saying that anybody in particular is guilty, it’s entirely situational.

[Luuni-area-52]

It’s a PVP realm though, so didn’t people already sign up for the possibility of being camped?

[Bozho-frostmourne]

There’s mention that this is extending to discord channels as well.

No, camping I have no issue with. If you’re spending an insane amount of time tracking a player down over many days, weeks to possibly months, you’ve crossed a line.

In vanilla, I remember players being reprimanded for camping players at open world graveyards.

[Luuni-area-52]

Again, there is a solution to that though, isn’t there? A PVE realm? Not saying I’ve seen folks camp for months or even days. Maybe a few hours at most.

[Remini-bigglesworth]

Here is an easy, non game breaking, fix for res dispelling priest/shaman.

When you res it triggers your global cool down. Thats it, 1 global and you are free to start spamming what ever. Thats plenty of time to react to the situation.

This would combat and punish res dispellers and 5 box mages that also res AOE.

[Donkles-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Good. That sounds like the proper response.

Bad hires happen, people get jobs and then don’t follow the duties properly. What matters is the company reacting to the bad call that was made.

[Bozho-frostmourne]

There are cases where it evolves past the point of it being a matter of PVP. Harassment is against the ToS.

Harassment, “griefing,” abusive behavior or chat, conduct intended to unreasonably undermine or disrupt the Game experiences of others, deliberate inactivity or disconnecting, and/or any other activity which violates Blizzard’s Code of Conduct or In-Game Policies.

This can extend to players across factions.

@Bozho-frostmourne

conduct intended to unreasonably undermine or disrupt the Game experiences of others

There is a limit where it then becomes unreasonable.