As far as Rogues go, Combat was so annoying, it was Outlawed.
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No. No no no. You don’t get to retcon it just because it turned out bad. He demanded a progression system that persisted from patch-to-patch and awarded unique rewards for different forms of context. That’s the essence system. He asked for it, he got. It just turns out we don’t actually want that. Play the patch is actually what most of us want, regardless of the minority nay-sayers.
That’s why I normally don’t run anything higher than LfR or regular mythic dungeons.
Anything past that just adds in more crap I don’t find fun. Oh this person has to carry this in a geometric pattern according to an einstein rosen bridge and person z has to wait x seconds before I leashing s coal ability a to let them pass. Absolutely stupid. Then mythic plus just adds in more gimmicks and a stupid timer.
LfR or even normal has enough crap going on for me these days. The thought of just adding, adding, and adding is dumb. I don’t use DBM any more. I just watch the fight and learn as I go. Haven’t wiped a raid in ages.
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Only pvpers day stuff like this and its 100% based on ignorance.
I think this could be applied to many different aspects of the game. A lot of things have been turned up to 11. Linear story lines, small zones over packed with content. All fine in small doses, but there are no small doses.
There is no ebb and flow, just a flood.
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I did a lot of low to mid keys in Legion. A lot of people did. The learning curve was linear, unlike now. And there were actual in-game incentives for good people to look for groups listed with low keys to carry. They removed those incentives, possibly so good players wouldn’t feel obligated to run them, but probably also so players with low keys couldn’t just get help from benevolent strangers. Thus token sales for paid carries as a path to gearing became much more common in BfA, and even more common in Shadowlands.
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Is the argument that Ultraxion is the gold standard of raid bosses? Does anyone actually consider that boss (or any other boss from that raid even) memorable?
I certainly would not consider Ultraxion anything to aspire to with regard to encounter design. I think it was a social experiment in encounter design, by the Blizzard Dev team, to see how many people would fail at mechanics… if the only mechanic was to press a single button while standing in one place doing DPS.
I was just noting that in the long history of boss encounters, that Blizzard had in fact implemented a target dummy boss. 
That’s fair.
Eh, I dunno. I find the combat fun. I like to actually NEED all of my toolkit beyond very very niche situations. I like that my AMZ can actually save a life or two with its damage reduction and take the stress of healers if I place it well.
I like that my DG is more useful now because there are mobs with casts that cannot be interrupted normally but can be via a force move. I like that in a single encounter I might actually need to use two speed boosts back to back.
Before it was just the same old regular rotation. Now at least a bit more thought has to go into what you’re doing. Don’t worry; we’ll soon be so OP that mechanics won’t matter anymore until high M+ and mythic raid.
But isn’t that the real hard mode? Playing without addons? My hat’s off to anyone who can do it.
Um, the most popular addons in the game have been used since late classic/BC.
These addons have been with the game for over 14 years.
“your game has failed”? Not even gonna reply to this gibberish. not like its the most successful MMO or anything.
your not gonna reply because its true, these addons have destroyed the game and why bosses have 10 mechanics that you have to do while avoiding their dance of death and aoe fear that drains 100% of your health over 10 seconds, ppl keep crying the game is too easy because of these addons so blizzard keeps making it harder, which in turn causes more addons to be created, which in turn makes it easier, which in turn makes ppl cry its too easy, and the cycle just continues, the fact i need to download third party software if i want to be allowed to particpate in anything above a heroic level dungeon just outright disappoints me, third party software should only ever be optional, not essential, not to mention the fact third party software is what allows so many people to bot now a days
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i think combat is the only good thing left about this game.
everything else feels like its trying to be a phone game.
Mythic+ difficulty went through the roof expansion to expansion with every boss now having the mechanics of a real mythic raid boss while the loot rewards simultaneously went down. Garbage.
I agree as well that even caring about elite players is more hurtful then helpful. In some games I dont mind, like Hearthstone, but this is an MMO and we need people.
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Yes.
Shadowlands dungeons are harder than BFA dungeons. In shadowlands they even added unique mechanics that only appear in mythic difficulty. There even a number of mechanics that demand tanks kite, and that all people use their cd’s for specific trash packs or you just die. 15’s are easily comparable to 20’s in BFA. 13’s feels like 17+ to me right now.
People complained about BFA dungeons being mechanic intensive, but I felt like it was in a fairly good place compared to what we’re seeing here in shadow lands.
I didn’t even bother trying to pug heroic raid this tier because watching the guide videos for the raid just made everything seem more like a hassle than fun.
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My strategy for Alleria was to just stand in the fire and nuke her.
I complained about this like 2 months into Legion. Mobs that constantly teleport/shadowstep behind me are simply annoying and aggravating and there’s more of those with every xpack. It’s as if getting kicked/interrupted wasn’t bad enough, now you get some mobs shadowstepping into the walls and ground.
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You’re exaggerating like children do when they cry. No boss even comes close to this statement.
i dont recall any moment in time when forums were filled with “THE GAME IS TOO EZ BUFF” threads.
Your yelling at the community like we decide the next boss mechanics.
So you’ve been disappointed for 14 years?
Not all third party software is bad.
Once again just a child crying.
have you seen how many mechanics some raid bosses have? are you blind?
i saw people complaining the game was too easy 4-5 times a day easily back in bfa/legion
i have a love/hate relationship with this game, i love the lore and design, i hate the balancing and the fact cheating is allowed to begin with
no, not all, i will give you that, cosemetic things such as the ui are nice, or pawn, i just dislike the ones that are basically cheats