I have no idea why this was flagged. It makes some very good points to this argument.
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I think you answered yourself when you said “it made some very good points”.
That’s not allowed on the GD forums. Imo, OP just wants to stir the pot and get the polar opposites yelling at each other
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Depends a lot on the context, like are we in a Mythic plus adding a friend to gear up? not a problem with low dps from him. A random person that you pugged turn out to be doing negative damage? Bad luck, and realy hard to change at that point, so no point to rage about it.
Low dps or general low performance on a progresion boss in the raid? As a raid leader, I`m sorry but we have minimum requirements and if you are not doing more damage to the boss than what your mere precence in the fight add to his HP, you have to go up in damage or get out the group.
Maybe some people take it to personal, but like it or not content where dps is relevant, numbers are everything, you have dps/hps check to surpass and enrage timers to beat.
And there are lots of ways to know how and why you are doing low damage, and lots of ways to raise it.
Harassment carries more baggage than can be fit into a single rebuke of your ability to deal damage. Offensive or insulting would be more appropriate terms and that only if they bring it up in such a manner, whereas to be considered harassment the offender ought to have to carry on with it outside whatever instance or other content wherein was sparked their initial disdain and came their first remark.
It can be rude to bring it to light if illumined crassly. It can also be beneficial in the form of reproval not only to the player on their way toward mastery but to their guild-mates or fellow dungeon-divers as well.
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Actually yes, harassing players period is something that can get you punished in this game.
Sounds about right, though they do avoid most if not all of WoW’s mistakes.
One of the big streamers for FFXIV blasted someone on stream
You’re hilarious.
I’d break this down for you, but remember, WoW is designed for the casual MMO player.
Exactly!
And savage raids, depending on the fight, are hard/harder than some mythic fights here.
Huge deal in FFXIV.
For a lot of fights, you simply will not win if the healer doesn’t dps.
This is hilarious.
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Oh, well I suppose that makes sense. Idiots are going to ruin it for the rest of us lol.
Bingo.
Filler text oh sweet filler text.
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Yeah one of the streamers for FFXIV pulled an Asmon and put someone on blast.
Huge no no.
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As someone who logs. Reads others logs. Sims. Then adjust for real raid scenarios. Optimizes. Makes my own WA to track what I need between pulls. Carries multiple sets for the same specs to put on different traits for different bosses. I feel FF14s message to me is basically “you WILL carry these scrubs or ELSE!”
I have been on wipefests. It could sometimes be glorious carrying a team of complete wood to glory, but generally, I would like to not volunteer for such experience unless it’s my friend or ppl I know.
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I never get the mind set that we need to protect the feeling of underperformers to keep them from not having fun. What about the feelings about the super elite who are forced to put up with them? Why will nobody think of the feelings of the super elite?
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That isn’t unique to FF though, that’s every MMO lol
Doesn’t mean you become a jerk about it, you help people out and if they don’t want your help, replace them.
“Sorry man, but we need a lot more dps than you can do right now”
What, do you think you are locked into a group with these people or something?
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Calling out low DPS in a reasonable manner is not harassment. If a group is wiping because of sheer DPS throughput OR wiping indirectly because of it via not being able to get out of a tough phase fast enough, it makes sense to point out the issue. At that point, the person[s] underperforming can either get it together so the group can win, the group can choose to remove the problem players, or the group can call it for the night and try again later with more gear from the next reset or what have you.
FFXIV offers content in which DPS requirements are very tight via Savage Raiding. And yet, you do NOT have the opportunity to assess these kinds of issues. If you follow the rules, you literally have to blindly guess who may or may not be performing up to the standard set by the given fight. It’s just beating your head into a wall. You can test your damage, KIND OF, on dummies, but that doesn’t necessarily mean individuals will pull off the same damage in a stressful raid encounter with actual mechanics and movement. Some people handle that better than others.
I kinda get being opposed to it for casual content, but the blanket ban Square has on meters / talking about meters is stupid if they also want to design high-tier challenging content.
If worrying about efficiency isn’t their idea of a fun game, then they shouldn’t have EX Primals and shouldn’t have Savage Raids.
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It really, really isn’t.
Japan based companies are very strict with their rules (its either bannable 100% of the time or not at all) and they really hate mods (or getting in trouble for their modded game where people use mod like nude mod, or turn their character into licensed character from other title).
But they never actually ban you for using it (even though they knew you use it), there are 0 case found where someone in FFXIV actually got banned for using meter mod or any other mod, only when you announce that you use such mod that you could get yourself banned.
The best thing you could do if you see underperformer is to straight up kick them and not say a word.
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On one side of the coin, I can see it being obnoxious to call out out low dps without doing it in a constructive fashion.
On the other side of the coin, by them not pulling decent DPS, they are hindering my progress and diminish my game experience.
When I see people who aren’t performing as well as they could, I try to give them tips when I can to help them out. We all start somewhere and learn as we go. I’ve seen people go from 20-40 parses to 85-99 parses with the same gear on, just because they finally learned how to play.
People do use meters though so not sure what you are going on about. The devs know people use them too. Heck, people post videos with them. The only thing they ban people for is when you use them to berate someone over their damage.
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I’m so gullible that way sometimes!
You can totally use meters, just don’t bash people over the head with it, which is what Arthars actually did. People have been using meters in FFXIV for years now without issue.
I’d say savage is definitely efficient and the raid team for FF does care about efficiency, it’s why you get content where you can’t have one person slacking off and pull a clear like you can in this game.
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so… when you kick all the low dps, and you’re left with all the people who tunnel-vision the boss, stand in the bad, ignore mechanics… how does that work out for you?
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