All it takes in 1.12 is 5 people defending to break a zerg.
Iâm sorry I didnât realize I was arguing with a literal 12 year old, though I suspected it. I was mocking your âsame objectiveâ comment by making an equally pointless observation. Again
Okay then, in 1.5, all that was needed was 2 people then. Since NPCs were much stronger back then and people werent as geared.
So you have no response?
And having 1.5 as opposed to 1.12 is not going to stop that idk why you canât get past that.
To what, you dimwit? If âkilling the generalâ makes all versions identical according to you, why do you want the 1.12 version? Why are you even having this discussion?
Why wouldnât it? If NPCs are stronger and more plentiful, youâd need more coordination, more gear, more players, more skill, to actually pull it off.
If Rag has 2 million HP, it would make killing him much harder. If MC had double the amount of mobs, it would make MC a lot harder. Sure people can clear it, but the % of success and the amount to do so would be much higher.
Same thing with the diferences between old AV and 1.12 AV. Sure drek can be zerged. But the requirement and difficulty to do so would be very different
And if it makes no difference as you say it does, why not just use 1.5 AV values anyways?
I never said killing the enemy general makes all version identical. I said that before reinforments that was how you won.
Reinforcements added a completely new win condition, which you seem to ignore when saying 1.12 is the same as retail.
post #153 implies heavily that because the objective remains the same, they are played the exact same way.
Yes reinforcements added an additional way to win. However, it didnt change the meta that much. Rather than zerging 80% of the time, you are now zerging 100% of the time. But yes, getting rid of reinforcements is the right step in getting AV away from retail. What Im saying now is to do the next step by adding back NPCs, and buffing them back up.
Both versions reinforce the tactic of rushing the enemy general while half the raid is afk. This tactic has more counterplay in older versions of AV, with less players required to negate it. The final objective is not the relevant part here.
Fine honey just keep living in 2004. I just gave you 3 videos proving exactly what Iâm telling you. And quite frankly⌠I canât even find one that remotely resembles what youâre suggesting
Just another reminder that Zyrius has come right out and stated that he was only trolling the AV threads because he did not get his pet changes for the druid class.
Anyone thinking that he is arguing with them in good faith are wasting their keystrokes.
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Literally took me 5 seconds to show you how AV was done back in 2005 or so.
As I said before, the point isnt to make everyone play like it was in 2004. Itâs to ENCOURAGE people to play like what it was in 2004.
Why is winning the BG not relevant?
Oh sorry, anyone who likes a different version of AV than you, including the millions of people during vanilla which is why AV was changed during vanilla by blizzard are just trolling.
Youâre not going to encourage people to be awful again.
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Timemachine + MIB flashy thing 
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WRONG. The reason why AV was changed was to make way for TBC and the new honor system which required marks.
Iâm sure you can see the issue if a piece of gear took 30 wSG marks and 30 AV marks, and a WSG game was 20 mins, and the AV game was 18 hours long, right?
Youâre right. Lets encourage them to AFK in the cave instead
Huh�
You realize marks were added 15 months before TBC, right? AV was also being heavily altered long before TBC.