IS Alliance Dead ?!

yes, the alliance is dead, and it’s a good thing. if they didnt want their faction to die, they should have simply played better.

Yea Whitemane is still solid.

I’m willing to bet when Benediction becomes 80/20 all those Horde came to Whitemane.

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They didn’t think about racial balance cause the game wasn’t created with PvP in mind, and they didn’t think people would min max to the degree they have since the game was made in part to be a counter to the min maxing present in Everquest at the time. The racials were just added for some additional flavor.

That said, they knew they were adding arena in TBC, and they saw that PvP became bigger than they thought it would be. They should have balanced them better for TBC.

Just so you know, 2 more large Alliance guilds just left Earthfury for Benediction.

Alliance player here.

They need to remove the PvE to PvP transfer restriction.

See this thread:

Until prepatch WOTLK when they offer another 1 time boost!

It’s almost like people know the meta before choosing thier faction.

Alliance isnt the meta in WOTLK.

You are right. It’s actually pretty even in PvE, but human dominates the PvP ladder much like undead do right now.

Na, every man for himself is really over hyped.

Orc is still #1, it already has 3 trinkets and in WOTLK it gets buffed further by removing the heal debuff.

Every man for himself doesnt beat Blood Fury until Late ICC Trinkets.

I encourage you to go look at warmane’s PvP ladder.

Much like TBCC mirrors what we in the PvP community saw on endless.

edit: and yes it gets stronger later, its strong at the start as well.

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I agree its the “best” racial but it really doesnt beat Blood Fury until the end of WOTLK.

Orc can be almost any class like humans.

Hardiness gets changed to a flat 15% reduction in stun duration (which can be stacked) meaning it will always work.

Beast cleave becomes an "S"tier comp in WOTLK and orcs get +5% pet damage still.

Blood fury is better than any starting trinket with the amount of AP or Spell Power it gives at max level and the heal debuff is removed.

I feel that the state of the alliance is best expressed in a montage by the great thesbian Deforest Kelley:

Pretty much made alliance obsolete.

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No they don’t. Cope harder and go back to your pve server. In fact go back to retail

OW PVP doesn’t matter… that is why people flock to the realm that their population dominates because they want to do PVE uncontested…

Blizzard should just stop making PVP servers…

Don’t think so.

The game can often feel dead right now because you’re at the end of a patch- A lot of people are on breaks, or simply not running content because they don’t need anything. We just went months with 3 real bosses and heroic progression only, it’s not surprising people aren’t running the content anymore.

I logged in to WoW classic P5/6 and sometimes would be one of a only a handful in major cities (on a populated realm), game feels much more alive than classic did at later phases. I think TBC is much better off (though not perfect) when it comes to keeping players entertained.

I just came back after 6 months off, retail is absolute tripe elitism, so i decided to come back for TBC, however not wanting to play my Rogue or Priest i decided on my Mage.

I forgot I can’t even go to TBC til 58!

I am running around trying to level up nobody around, sat in AV que for over 2 hours never popped…

I am starting to think this was a mistake to comeback, as unless you are already 70 / geared / in a big guild you are going to play Single Player WoW!

Thanks to the boost, and boosting in general the Old World actually is dead. You’re best bet is aoe grinding or questing until 58. Outlands isn’t great either for alts, nothing like the first 2 months, but still alive.

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Good to know thanks