Interesting. Didn’t realize that community was that organized and on the same page like that. Whelp here’s hoping they do get what they are asking for then, because its only going to hurt some server in the end if Blizzard doesn’t give them an option right away.
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I don’t know what they are expecting? How would I know?
I have serious suspicions than the number of servers we will see is 3 at the low end and 5 at the high end for launch. I believe there is a reason they are planning to use sharding because it is a reality that the population will probably see a drastic drop off after a week or two.
I personally believe they are probably planning for a minimum population first before attempting to respond to demand later.
You said they projected this as in, you know they did. Show me where they did. And why would they project 10% of total subs in vanilla? why that number? Why not 200% of the vanilla subs? Why not 2%? You don’t know. You have no idea. Just like blizzard. As of right now they have no idea how many people will come back to play. It could have 100k it could be 10 million.
Don’t be a moron. Use your brain. And life will be much easier for you.
A little tip broken, if you want to be perceived as at least someone the forums occasionally doesn’t think is a compete idiot, you have to align yourself with people who don’t think of stuff like,
This… Who thinks that blizzard is making the servers a jumbled mess on purpose just to use sharding because they like it lol.
You should be doing in here what you did in that “1.12 AV will kill classic thread”.
Brokenwind, the mistake is yours. The moment you recognize a troll you need to stop engaging them. I’ve already addressed every contrarian claim they’ve made.
No point in back and forthing or trying to “convince” someone who has no stake in the outcome of the subject at hand and is only here for the sport of trolling.
An encapsulation of one of the reasons why it is absolutely ridiculous to lack an entire server type during launch. Just 1 server is enough.
A genuine historical retail Vanilla server is ~2.5 - ~3k concurrent population (known metric). Let’s say ~10k player accounts (unknown metric).
If there will be 400,000 people playing Classic WoW (an extremely low estimate as underground p servers have shown more engagement in Vanilla WoW than that)
then there only needs to be 2.5% of players interested in RPPvP to have 10k players for a server. If 1 million people play Classic (much more realistic), we’re talking 1.25% of the player base for an RPPvP server.
A recent survey of 20,000 players showed that 10% are interested in RPPvP.
Only a tenth of that is needed to support an RPPvP server. If 2 million people play Classic, that’s less than 1% of players for an RPPvP server.
There is no legitimate argument against this. Ion must be being pressured by executives when it comes to the amount of servers, or just unaware of how many people there are that are genuinely interested in rolling RPPvP.
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Apparently you don’t know what the words “at least means”, or what “projection” means in this context. Yet you call me the idiot. Vanilla is considered to be part of the golden age of wow. There is no way their projections for how many people will come back for Classic are lower then the number of people the game originally launched with.
Vanilla had something like 200k copies sold before WoW even launched. The entry fee to play Classic is going to be even lower then it was then as there is no box cost. It’s not hard to guess they’re expecting at least 400k people coming back in the 1st month. Blizzard is a company, if they thought there was 0 chance of making money on Classic, they would have never announced it. If all their projections said there was only the 20k people who still play on private servers who want to play Classic, they’d have never announced it.
I mean come on. Blizzard has nothing they consider to be a major title coming out this year. They are pretty much counting on Classic, WC3 Reforged, and the Cash Shops to keep them going into next year. They’re not going to spend time, effort, and money on something that’s just costing them time, effort, and money.
And yes there is a difference between how many people they project will play and how many actually will.
Apparently I need to spell out my point to you.
Ion Hazzikostas, the WoW game director said they don’t want to launch with an RPPvP server.
This point of view from him makes it seem like they are going to launch Classic with a limited number of servers.
The fewer the servers with the higher the player cap, the more likely they have to use sharding in more than just the initial starting zones, for a longer period of time.
Do you understand now? Or are you going to continue to spit vitriol like a jerk off?
No no no let’s not get away from what you were saying. You said this as if it is fact. Where is your source that they ‘at least’ projected any of this? Is this something that they said, or are you just completely making stuff up again?
None of this VVVVV
Is valid sources. None of it.
This is why someone has to play devil’s advocate because you guys will just say random junk as fact. The truth is people change their tastes in games. Maybe 1% of people who played vanilla only actually enjoys these types of games anymore. Maybe its 99%. We don’t know which is why they are playing it safe.
With your logic you could say “80% of teenagers in the late 90s listened to boy bands, so if we bring back boy bands I bet that at least 10% of these people will start listening to them again.” That’s not how projections work. That’s not even remotely close to how projections work.
I agree with you. Which is why they are playing this safe and don’t want to ruin it with opening up too many servers. Opening up too many servers creates WAY more issue than not opening up enough. You can open new servers very easily, you can NOT get rid of old ones.
I agree with you. But that is not even remotely close to what you said.
Oh you’re an expert again it seems as if you know that’s how they will approach it. You know if the servers get way too flooded they can open up new servers on the fly, they COULD do that as well. They also could add que times on these servers. They could a lot of different things, so let’s not act like this is increasing the chance for them to take an approach they straight up told us they WILL NOT do, that’s silly.
I already understand this. But, that’s not what you said initially. You straight up said you think they are wanting to open up as few of servers as possible in order to JUSTIFY SHARDING. I asked you do you seriously think Ion wants to specifically flood these servers just because he wants to use sharding, and you said “I wouldn’t put it past him”.
If there was a miscommunication in what you meant, it was on your part honey bear. Maybe learn to actually say what you want to say instead of saying something completely different.
You are not playing devil’s advocate. You are simply a troll.
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No you just hate hearing the otherside of arguments because you’re an emotional child. It’s extra hilarious to me on this argument because I am actually on your side, and I think there will be enough people to open up multiple RPPVP servers, I’m just listing off the reasons why they may be hesitant at first, but even that triggers you lol.
It’s ok sweetie you’ll be okay.
Really? Seems pretty in line with what I said. Not my fault you didn’t understand it.
Can they open new servers that quickly? Do you even know? Or are you saying they launching with fewer servers doesn’t mean more sharding? Or that they will expect large groups of people to just abandoned the server they started on and move to another server that just started because they didn’t want to launch with more servers?
Now don’t get it twisted, I’m not saying they’re going to launch with servers that have 50k players a piece. Just pointing that the fewer the servers they launch with the more people start on those servers and the more sharding they need to use.
The launched Vanilla with something like 40 servers and even that was inadequate for what they had. If they shard the launch which I am not against they may or may not need that many depending on how many people actually show up. The fewer servers they have, the more sharding they need to use.
You think if they launch with too many servers they’ll end up with dead servers which is true. How many people are going to want to transfer from a high pop server to a low pop server that just opened? Being on the high pop is annoying because too many people in the starting zone, but at least it’s populated. Who knows if the new server is going to be populated or dead.
I was about to agree with Hopefan, but you make some good points.
That being said, I do hope they are ready to set up an RP-PvP server on day one if they deem the demand large enough.
There’s also a part of me that suspects they may say stuff like “no RP-PvP servers at launch!” just so they can get credit for listening to the player base when they later pretend to have changed their minds and make the RP-PvP server they had already planned.
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I’m sorry but do you actually have delays in your communication or something?
Do you understand what it means when you say “They only want to do X to justify Y”?
This makes it sound like blizzard wants to make the population of a server not just high but to make it crazy crazy high, just to justify their sharding.
Your ‘explained’ point was just you explaining their actual plan, but without a reasoning behind it.
We both agree on what their plan is, which is why I said I agree with you. But the real reason they are using their plan is so they don’t end up opening up too many servers that can ruin the gameplay once these servers die. YOUR reasoning for them wanting to do this is 100% because they just want to use sharding.
Do you understand the difference and similarities here?
Yes they can. That’s what great about their cloud system servers they can literally just open the up on demand. Will they? Idk.
No that’s not what I’m saying. I am saying that them launching fewer servers means that they can gauge what they need to do in order to make sure they don’t open up too many. And that if it gets out of hand they can open up new servers. But if the demand for classic, for whatever reason, happens to be extremely small (to their surprise), then they will have the right amount of servers to make sure that none of them die quickly. One thing is for certain though, they aren’t doing this specifically because they just want to use sharding… that’s beyond dumb.
Why are you making up the worst possible scenarios and then claiming them as fact lol… Lol jesus… you and broken were meant for each other.
You know what they could do?? Open up an extremely small amount of servers, with CAPS. So if the servers get full you aren’t able to even play on them yet. Then open up new servers with CAPS, and then the overflow can go into these servers. But if for whatever reason the classic community is smaller than you and I think it’s going to be, if they opened up servers that were prepared for 10x the amount of people that actually PLAY, well now you just spread your community across all of these servers and there is nothing you can do about it but watch them die.
No… no… not at all. You are running this on a p server mindset. P servers just let in however many people they can handle and not give a crap about any of those repercussions. They would probably (maybe not idk) do what they have done in the past with ques. Block those players from even starting and just bring them into the new servers they can open up for them.
No they don’t. If they have a preplanned cap of lets say 8k for launch, then all they have to do is put people in ques after 8k. Even if there is a million people waiting in q they won’t have to increase their sharding because the same amount of people they planned for will be online during any given time.
Most of these questions can be answer with que times if they use it. They would choose a different server before they can even get started.
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If they decide not to support a RPPVP server on launch but launch one later, I really hope they give free transfers for those that wanted to play on one in the first place. RPPVP is just a lot of fun.
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I’m not sure what their plan will consist of but I have a feeling it would go like this (100% speculation based on nothing more than guessing).
They open up an extremely low number of servers (like 7-9 or something, 1 RP 3-4 pve and pvp each). Server caps of 5-8k for launch specifically.
Possibility 1: (what I think is going to happen)
The demand for classic is overwhelming, millions of people logon to play. Those servers hit cap instantly and most of the community can’t play in the first hour as they will be in que times for hours.
Blizzard finds out how many people are in ques and releases more servers in batches. (2 pvp, 2 pve, 1 RP…or whatever they see fit).
I think that it will hit a threshold of where it only makes sense to open up an Rp-pvp server and these people flock to that server.
This is what I believe is going to happen and this is not based on facts or anything this is basically just a fantasy but that’s how I see it.
Possibility 2: (Something I think is extremely unlikely but what blizzard is preparing for just in case)
Classic demand is overwhelmingly lower than what he expected. 7-9 servers hit caps/near cap, there is virtually no que times. Blizzard leaves those servers as is as opening more would cause death to server populations. As the tourist crowd goes away, they lower caps to 3k~ or whatever is most vanilla like.
A good case to wait a week after launch to play.
Maybe! Obviously like I said, this couldn’t even be close to what they are doing at all and I just sound silly. But this would make the most sense to me. It could be resolved in the matter of hours and if you get off work that day it could be okay.
I just imagine it like this, let’s say you sell icecream and you’re going to an event you’ve never been to before. There could be a million people and there could be ten. You don’t want to open your booth and put icecream out for a million people. Because if it’s only 1000 that show all your product goes to junk. But if you just start with enough for 10 people and leave the rest in the freezer and then gauge what you need when you get there…that makes sense.
Idk maybe that’s silly but it makes sense to me.
I agree, but feel bad for the shell of the server left behind. They need to think further than release if Ion truly cares about population/server health.
Furthermore, there is the horrible precedent of transferring RPPVE to RPPVP, as leveling on a PVE realm can be done without the whole PVP part.
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I am going to cook burgers and hotdogs for this weekend’s picnic, but I am only going to cook burgers until I hit a “threshold” where it only makes sense to cook hotdogs.
I’m sorry but do you get off on trying to be the biggest jerk off in history? You keep on with these personal attacks, and I’m trying my damndest to not throw it back in your face but you make it really hard. I mean you do realize, saying crap like this makes people not want to even engage with anything else you have to say?
“But I’m just playing devil’s advocate” you say. Sorry but no, no amount of “devil’s advocacy” gives you the right to be a jerk off.
Not going to sit here an argue with you. Bye bye. See ya later.
No it’s more like “I’m going to bring enough hotdogs and burgers for unlimited people but I will only bring out 10 of each until I see how many show up”