Ion tweeted that he doesn't want any RPPvP servers at launch. Here is a breakdown of why that should change

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Ion just tweeted that he doesn’t want to release an RPPvP server at launch.

twitter dotcom/WatcherDev/status/1109832561704878081

Let’s break down the arguments and lay out why it’s a good idea to release one RPPvP server at launch.

1: Ion says he wants a lean realm list. Just 1 additional RPPvP server, or converting one RPPvE server to an RPPvP server, would be more than enough. Not having a server type is outrageous.

2: Ion says it will “be like 2004.” Classic WoW was never designed to be like 2004, he is contradicting himself to weasel out of this.

Classic WoW was designed to recreate 1.12, the definite version of Vanilla WoW.

Why are there no 1.0 talents? No 8 debuff slots? No 12 hour queues at launch? No server crashes?

Because it’s meant to be 1.12, not 2004 launch. And 1.12 had RPPvP servers.

3: He says he wants to see if there is interest. How can we show interest in a server type that doesn’t exist? Absolutely absurd. There needs to be at least 1 RPPvP server. This is so basic that I guarantee you that 99% of people took it for granted that it was going to happen.

Please, everyone, tweet at Ion. Post on the forums. Make your voices heard, because today, Ion does not want to release Classic WoW with any RPPvP servers, going against how it was during 1.12.

Forcing so many players to wait and see if a server is released, to reroll, for some guildies to not reroll, splitting guilds, alienating friends, dividing communities that want to play together… it’s just a complete disaster. But they have been humble, they have made changes, they have heard us. They have changed their minds and done the right thing on the past. There is still hope for the right to happen now.

RPPvP was home for some of us. There is still hope that the rest of us can come home, too.

GO TWEET AT ION, POST ON THE OFFICIAL FORUMS. THIS IS GOING TO BE A TOUGH ONE, LADDIE.

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Just going to play devils advocate here, because I know it’s likely people love rppvp and won’t point out some flaws in these arguments.

We don’t know how many servers they are starting out with or what their plan is. As of right now I don’t even think they know how many people are going to play. Christ they could only have one server of each type planned and will make more servers on the fly to fight the populations coming in.

No he didn’t…

The launch of classic wow is going to be 2004ish as it will only have a certain number of features available to us. Such as no pvp system, two raids, no dm ect… so yeah the launch of classic wow is designed to be like 2004 and if they want to throw rppvp servers in that formula then it makes sense.

No it isn’t. So much wrong here

  1. The already explained why, they said they wrote over that data

  2. They addressed this and I’m pretty sure they said it was a technical limitation? That could be wrong but this isn’t relevant to the point you’re trying to make because your point is already wrong (classic isn’t being launched to emulate 1.12)

  3. We don’t know that lol

  4. We don’t know that either lol

Because he wants to see the actual numbers of interest once the games out and people are actually playing? The voices of 100 people on a forum of a game that isn’t out doesn’t justify the creation of one. If the game released and it’s still only 100 then that shows you that if it’s 10,000 now then you get the picture

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I enjoy the RP aspect to the game. It shows how much Blizz cares about it as well through them putting servers dedicated to RP in.

But even I’d like to see people playing the game and using its core functionalities first and foremost before time and more recources are dedicated to an RP or RP-PvP server.

I think it’d be good to see exactly how popular Classic is with people actually just playing the game first before giving more effort to supporting niche RP players. Despite how much of a unique aspect they are to the game.

Dunno, mate. Dunno.

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Just one RP-PvP server is all we ask.

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It’s all we need.

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They aren’t niche. When RP-PvP servers originally launched, they were immensely popular. There were less of them, numerically, but they were far more consistently populated than their PvE equivalents.

Ion is planning for failure. What is about to happen to this game is going to shock him.

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Honestly all i hear is suit talk for No, mostly because he seems to contradict what he say’s a lot.

Also it goes to show that Blizzard really doesn’t have high hopes for Vanilla wow in General. Though at least it looks like they’re considering server bloat. Best bet may be getting free transfers.

Still there isn’t a reason at all to not do a RP-PVP server, but add in RP-PVE servers.

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Hope I captured the time. But the survey on Reddit showed that there were interest for RP-PvP servers. At the time Frost made this video, I think there were some 11k participants, but when I took it, that number was over 15k.

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I got the Reddit post there as well, the problem is i asked a few people around reddit, and other media sites to do the same, but no one will? RP-PvP from a lot of stand points at least in poll is higher, Not saying it will be but it’s there.

Remember that RP-PVP servers weren’t in game at launch, so that does hurt it quite a bit.

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Yeah dude like I said they won’t know the actual number of these people though until the game comes out. Surveys aren’t really something to go off of. RP-PVP servers are a really popular topic and people (like myself) would like blizzard to open them up specifically for the people who want them but have no plans to actually play on them. Yeah 15k people said they will play on the servers, but how many of these people actually are and aren’t just saying they are because they think they should make them. If the RP community in classic is ACTUALLY ridiculously small once WoW is released then I couldn’t see them opening them up.

I believe classic is going to be massive and they will open up the rp-pvp servers regardless. But acting like we have any real data to support this is kinda being disingenuous.

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For the RP-PvP servers!

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Just for the record, I didn’t say 15k would play those servers. I said 15k had taken the survey. So the actual number is much smaller than 15k.

Have to beware of though, only a handful of people use Reddit. I was only aware of the survey because of that video, as I don’t use Reddit at all.

So the actual percentage could be a lot higher or lower, but undeniably, there is an interest. Don’t see why it would hurt Blizz to open at least one for each region.

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Because they don’t want dead servers… that’s why. As of right now they have 0 clue how many people are even going to play classic. If they just opened up an rp-pvp server but then they realize oh they only have like 3000 rpers who are online at any given time after a year, half of which go to rp and the other that goes to rppvp well now you just killed both those servers.

We don’t know how many servers will be opened up so playing it safe is just the smartest business move. But like I said, I foresee classic being a major success and rppvp will be opened up eventually.

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I think they should do RPPvP servers but I can see a down side. If you open 2 for N.America Do you open 1 for S. America? Does S.A have enough to support it. Ausses would need 1 also? etc etc for each localized region they have.

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I doubt Ion will read this, but I don’t have a twitter: You’re making a mistake

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That tweet is news to me but Im happy to see if because he states:

But our priority is making sure servers have long-term healthy populations, so we’ll start with lean realmlists and expand as needed

That is huge. It means anyone who starts day one early in the day will likely only have a certain number of servers to choose from. And most of those servers are going to end up really high pop as everyone loads on to those first.

Bad news for the people trying to dodge streamers I guess? Theyll have to reroll on one of the servers that open later.

This also probably means they definitely be using sharding or higher pop caps at start (one of the two) followed by lowering the caps later to ensure health long term after tourists leave.

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You’re blowing things a bit out of proportion.

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Their cloud-based system makes it easier than ever to merge servers if need be. If a RP-PvP server did begin to have low population, I am sure it would be rather easy to make it a regular PvP server.

Don’t make it more complicated than need be on pure speculation.

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I’m not making it more complicated, the op did I was just shutting down his points with logic. I guess yours too.

“I don’t see why they can’t open up an rppvp server” is sort of a dumb statement. You don’t have any clue what’s going into it and neither do I, so I was just giving examples of what could happen. It’s not hard to see why they would want to see what happens.

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I thought it was going to be obvious they would have at least one…

RP-PVP was what I was going to roll on.

They were really popular back in vanilla… they only started to die in Cata, when the game in general started to die…

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