If he actually genuinely cares about server population health, he would not outright doom the one that RPPVP players will have to choose at startup, it will die the instant a RPPVP server opens.
That tweet from Ion was actually from the 24th. Hopefully he understands it a bit better now.
I think you missed the part where Ion said,
But our priority is making sure servers have long-term healthy populations, so we’ll start with lean realmlists and expand as needed, just as the 2004 launch did.
I think there’s more demand for RP-PVP than RP, so if they had to choose just one I think that call is obvious
Who are you even replying to?
That’s why his logic doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense. Do they think suddenly players will want an rp-pvp server at some arbitrary point in time after launch? Players are asking for it right now. So if it’s not in at launch by what metric does Blizzard go by to determine if the players want it? And if they do add one later on, players will flock from other servers to go join that one and that’s completely contrary to how they want healthy server populations.
We don’t know how large the population of classic actually is. If there are only a couple of rp servers open they are dead then that tells you more than a forum post or a poll.
I would think this is common sense but I guess it isn’t
That is indeed the other part of it. Which is why I pointed out that tweet was a week ago, and that I hope common sense has gotten through on this topic by now.
Releasing RPPVP server(s) at any time after launch will absolutely obliterate certain servers picked as “temporary” RPPVP ones.
So you want people to switch servers, once the team knows there is enough people to play the game, without them still knowing how large a percentage of that population would have wanted RP-PvP servers if they were an option from the start? I’m sorry, but that doesn’t make sense.
3 servers is roughly, give or take, 7,5-9k people. Spread out among three continents…
That was last week man. . Old news.
It completely lacks common sense as the “PVP” part has as much if not more importance as the “RP” designation. As someone looking forward to RPPVP (as well as my old guild from Twisting Nether) we will likely choose a PVP server as temporary home and RP there. Not a RPPVE one.
As far as not knowing how many will be playing classic and how many of those will want RPPVP, there is nothing quite like turning a blind eye to the evidence (the health of the RPPVP servers during vanilla, the polls, the outcry since Ion and Lore’s utter clueless response) and making absolutely zero effort to find out.
7.5-9k players is barely one server. You can’t look at cap sizes as a number of people on one server as they aren’t online all at once.
And what do you mean, “do I want”. I’m not blizzard just in case you got confused. Maybe they’ll let you do a free server transfer. I have no idea what their plan is. That’s the whole point of my post so idk why you keep bringing up these systems like it’s a guarantee Jesus that’s exhausting.
I’m not just limiting this to rp servers either. We don’t know if pve servers will be dead as well. I don’t think they will be at all, but you never know.
Also, what about OCE servers? Do they just not get rppvp but we do? How’s that going to work, there’s just a lot of what ifs, whose to say this issue is just an ‘NA’ issue.
You may not be blizzard, but your posts on this subforum have become a gimmick of carrying water for blizzard when they make decisions and statements that get deserved backlash. Your constant contrarian “devil’s advocate” posting walks like a troll, quacks like a troll.
I only there was a way for blizzard to find these things out…
Yeah, we never know. ![:roll_eyes:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/roll_eyes.png?v=6" ":roll_eyes:")
Well the good news is if this whole classic announcement is any indicator, a small population shouting loudly enough will eventually get what they want.
No they are rational. I said I think they will end up opening up rppvp servers anyway but I understand the hesitation.
Sorry I’m not so prone to outrage and nonsense arguments like yourself.
Trust me, there’s nothing you say that should be listened to, even if you happen to be right on a subject you are still the last person that should be listened to.
Hmm you mean like the actual numbers of people playing when it’s released Yeah if only…
What you two don’t seem to be understanding here and the main reason for this decision is Blizzard not having a reliable metric to gauge the actual interest in classic, let alone RPPVP. As long as the population keeps increasing every single one of your concerns become irrelevant. The reason you go for a RPPVE server over RPPVP is because PVP players are more willing to go to PVE servers than PVE players playing on PVP servers.
And what you two and others have completely overlooked is that retail accounts will be getting access to classic and can come and go on whims. Population at startup is going to be the most unhelpful metric for basically anything.
They could have official polls of accounts that existed during vanilla, they could read the threads that are begging for RPPVP, there are probably numerous ways they could get helpful data. Just simply don’t or won’t.
Up until Ion’ and Lore’s chat people thought it was absurd to suggest that there would not be RPPVP realms. It was a given, it was obvious, it was silly to think otherwise. Well, to everyone but Ion and Lore apparently.
Yes but if they see that new accounts are coming into then they will see that NEW players are interested, not just current.