you can get a 1950 or so io by timing every 15 so they typically expect at this minimum especially this late into the expansion depending on the group. I’d say anything between 2k-2300 are those barely doing 15-17-18s, anything higher than that is the middle tier player that doesn’t care or push much, even higher are the hardcore rio pushers that all they do is push m+ typically, some raid mythic as well but mostly when you see high rio’s it’s just m+ players.
But yes the minimum would be 2-2300 typically for most groups in my opinion, otherwise you can look for people with 15-1800 ios doing 15s, they’ll more than likely just do it for the weekly and that’s it although it’ll usually be a struggle, that is unless they’re expecting high rio players to come carry them which in most cases it is.
Yup, most group leads are being carried because they’re like you and others that can’t get into groups so they make their own which is a recommendation by most players if you can’t get into a group make your own so you can do the same.
Not sure what you mean by that, most of that stuff you listed off is meant to be casual social content meant to basically be a waste of time, don’t understand how that be related to end game content what so ever, I don’t even think any of that has any value when it comes to m+ or raiding and in that sense gatekeeping.
My opinion on that is if the gatekeeping is an issue you don’t necessarily have to do that content either, there are other brackets like lfr/norm/heroic that you can get with minimal requirements/time/effort.
And why cant you post on that toon? I can already see why you are not being chosen on M+15 key. Why cant you see it? It’s obvious. You’re not the best for M+15. People dont want to waste their keys to less powerful toons like you. Why pick you if they can pick the ones who has done 30x M+15 and above , 60x M+10 and above.
This is not a game where you vanish and reappear after 7 months. It shows how you pull down current groups becoz you have weaker HoA, Less Corruption Resistance. Would you be on the same situation if you didnt vanish for months?
See. Showing us your profile would show your problems right away.
Looking at your profile and logs (assuming this is your main since you judged me for not posting on mine) I’m fairly certain that I’d out dps you in any dungeon by at least 10k despite your better gear. To think that gear alone determines who is the weak link is silly.
Edit: To clarify, I’d absolutely be a weak link in a group of max geared toons playing optimally, but that’s not 99.9% of groups especially in a casual 15 pug… Good mechanical play makes up for ~20 corruption resistance and few less HoA levels.
That’s where you fail. You are so convinced that you are so good but in the eyes of other PuGs, looking at your io, you are NOT THE BEST. Why would those people choose you over those who has better io? Is their key yours? No. They wont waste their key on you base on your io.
Why your io is so low is becoz of you… disappearing for months? It’s your fault why you got left behind.
Dont judge me. I am casual with very limited play time. I have already completed my personal goals long time ago… AoTC, 5-Masked Visions, and lately an M+15. And I am not hiding from my io.
You’ve completely missed the point of this thread if you think that’s at all what I’m saying… Am I “the best”? No. Am I good enough to do 15s easily? Yes. Is IO the only way to tell someone is a good enough player to do 15s? No, but people act like it is. I’ve no delusion/expectation that’s going to change either. Again, it’s just an observation of how fixated the community is on 1 number and how high the barrier to entry is.
Never suggested otherwise. Did you even read the original post?
So you barely play and have only done a single 15 but for some reason you feel qualified to assess my character and tell me I’m guaranteed to weigh groups down? Sounds about right. Everyone’s an expert on the forums.
I agree, but if that was the case I’d just end up leaving and premade grouping, if that was removed then I’d just end up leaving the group until I found a decent one. The wait time between looking would be worth more than the hours wiping because of incompetent players.
My suggestion. Go post a +15/16 key. See how many dps show up. There will be loads in the 1500 range, then you’ll get a few 2k+, then the odd 3k. At the end of the day… this really is a numbers game.
Are you good enough to do a +15? Absolutely… but are you as good as the guy that’s done +20’s? In the eye of the keyholder… no… no you’re not. Heck, if you’ve gotten CE, then you know this yourself. Those who have experience almost always perform better than those that don’t. They know when to use their CDs, when they need a defensive, what needs kicked, what needs stun/disorient/knocked. The exact same thing happens with M Raid progress… no one walks into any progression fight knowing exactly when they’ll use their CDs and how to fit them in to optimize their DPS. That’s all part of it.
Long story short, ya you’re probably more than good enough to do a +15 in time, but you’re behind the curve of the community. Quit complaining and get playing so you can catch up (keep applying, push your own key, make friends and play with them).
Lol you expect Blizzard to be able to balance 4 different abilities to be viable in m+, raid, and PvP on a healing spec, a melee dps spec and a range dps spec all with completely different playstyles, resources, legendaries, talents and conduits to within 1%? Not a balancing issue haha it’s just a terrible system.
Have whispers been removed from the game lol. Takes about 5 seconds to whisper “what covenant are you”
Here’s the thing thing if I list a 15 key as a tank I will have literally 30 dps applicants in 10 seconds. Why would I take a 471 when I can take a 480 with 2.5k plus? The goal is to finish the key as fast as possible after all.
When there are 30 people signed up, no one is going to take the time to investigate achievements and parses or any of that. IO gives an instant rating as you mouse-over names, so you can just find the spec that fits well and has the experience with what you are running.
Its not perfect, but its simple and convenient. As many others have mentioned, it isn’t that you or your score aren’t good enough, its that there’s many others who look better so people grab them instead. Sorry.