IO Gatekeeping is Getting Out of Hand

Sorry, bud. You’re not entitled to be in my group simply because you exist.

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I can determine a person if he is a carry or not. Just show me his profile. On waterboi who hides his profile, I am assuming that he is a carry. It’s like those people who doesnt want to show their io to public. They just have big mouth claiming their entitlement blaming io hinders them.

BTW, if you are really for M+15, you would know why you are not getting invited on Dungeon Finder. It’s a simple answer. You are not the best geared/ best experienced for M+15.

I am capable of doing M+15 at 1674 but I cant get in to M+15 becoz I know there are Gazillion players with better gear and io than me. Simple as that. I am just a Casual and reaching M+15 is already a feat for me with my limited play time. Give me more play time, I am confident I could do M+20 and above.

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Thank god this isnt the case.

The only issue comes up if people think that this would be the case when they dont get invited into keys way above their weight. People with high score didnt get them by getting invited in to 15 key at the start of the expansion, they build the score up over multiple runs and doing their own keys. People nowadays just want to skip that part and want to go straight to the stages with big loot cause they feel like they are entitled to it. If they then dont get invited, they confuse the refusal to boost people with gatekeeping.

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Can Blizzard just ban it? It is a stupid system.

edit: Get rid of the weekly chest as well.

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yeah cause an extra shot at loot each week is definitely a bad thing.

Raid experience!=Mythic experience

Daddy Blizz can ban any damn addon they want to in an effort to force good players to carry bad players.

It doesn’t matter because good players will always find a way to vet players to weed out the bads. That is the way it should be.

Bad players should focus on improving and stop whining and asking daddy Blizzard to force good players to carry them. It will never happen. I’ll quit before I’m forced to carry bads.

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You get your loot from raiding and dungeons. What more do you want? It is not a race. Mythic + should be done away with as well.

Define good player.

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The current best way we have to do that for mythics is IO.

Sure, there are high IO players that don’t do mechanics and are bad. Won’t know that they are bad until i play alongside them.

Similarly, there are players with low IO scores that are good and interrupt, but i won’t know that they are good until i play alongside them.

The difference is the high IO player is a calculated acceptable risk to take for higher keys while the lower IO is a much bigger risk at higher keys.

That is why goid players with low IO simply need to run lower keys and quickly build their IO. Problem solved

Here is a pretty standard experience:
I post my +15 key. I’m a tank. The following apply within 10 seconds.

Rogue 1500
Mage 2500
Druid 2100
Shaman 2200
DH 3000
Warrior 3800
Monk 1300
Mage 1400

Ilvls between 472-480

Who will I take?

  1. 3800 Warrior, unless
  2. 2500 Mage because I want a ranged
  3. 2100 Druid because I need a BRez
  4. Someone above 2k but are 480 ilvl which is crazy.

I’m sure the 1300 monk could be a great player, but why take the chance?

And yes, you often get 3k + scores apply to 15s which is totally overkill but why not take the carry? It’s my key.

Solutions:

  1. Run your own key
  2. Join a guild and run with them
  3. Roll tank or heals to get easy invites
  4. Work up your IO slowly
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People using the addon can see how many keys you’ve timed in each bracket as well.

Someone who has 50, 75 or 100 keys timed at 15 is bound to have a much more solid grasp on mechanics for that level compared to you, who has 2 keys timed (I assume, you didn’t really specify) at 15.

You’d be better off pushing your own keys to build your IO score, then you’ll have full control over the group. And I’d hazard a guess that after a bunch of failed groups with people who have low experience in the 15 range, you’ll start to see why many group leaders are selective when forming groups.

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What more do I want? An extra shot at loot every week.

Mythic+s are fine. Remove the timer and the race you mention is gone.

I would rather have mythics be a brand new and difficult dungeon with random events in them. You would also have to attune to get into them through a quest chain, rep, or both. Make them very rewarding though, 1 shot per week, and if you fully wipe its over.

Make your own group with your own key. If you can’t do that then ask your parents to help.

Several people have mentioned this and I’m not sure it’s true. I’ve checked parses for some groups, which actually requires going to a web site, but I’ve only seen one group run by anyone other than myself that checked parses. I think a lot of people are lazy and would not go to the armory if they didn’t have the addon.

That said, I don’t think they could ban the Raider IO addon without removing things used by a lot of addons.

No RaiderIO is not just a competency check.

If is was just a competency check it would display a level of content with a rating of C or NC, not give a number.

keep working at it, time some 10s-14s. dont even need to time them really, if its a harder dungeon you get a little score even for just completion. a lot of people qctually dont use io properly, the raw score itself is less importent then the dungeon being done.if im doing say a +15 shrine, you better at least have done Shrine at a +12.

could also be because as others have said, dps are a dime a dozen, your class in particular is not very sought after in M+, they want a certaon comp, this week its best having two range when you can for examble, a whole list of things. raider io isint perfect but if it werent there people would judge player skill some other way

Yeah… Don’t link people raid achievements when you’re signing up for m+. That’s an auto decline. Raid is much easier content.

If you want your IO up just spend a couple of weeks pugging your own key over and over. It works, I promise.

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The armory is not warcraftlogs

There is no parse info on the armory. But even so, raid parses aren’t a, direct reflection of m+ performance, and very few ppl log m+

That aside, you’re right, ppl are lazy, but I would absolutely look everyone I invited up.

I’m 100% uninterested in risking key on a guy with no relevant experience.

As is is now, I already am doing this for higher keys to check corruption, cloak and essences.

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