I haven’t even done every key at 15, I just do what I get. Have no trouble doing my own keys. Don’t care what IO people are, I just take the first ranged DPS that apply really. “WHY WOULD YOU TAKE A 470 MAGE WITH 1500 IO WHEN YOU COULD TAKE A 480 ROGUE WITH 3500 IO”, they say. I mean it, I’ve had people ask me. I tell them what I always say: the Rogue will stand near me and I might have to avoid him. That token bit of irritation to me is enough because it is my key and I will take who I want. This is just how arbitrary and picky you can be when you push your own key. This is why, as stupid as I think IO is, I don’t hate that people use it to make decisions about their own keys.
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Raider IO also tracks raid progression (At least on the website, can’t speak to the addon), so in that sense I’m fine with it. If they’re using your M+ score then that’s a little silly, unless you’re one of the people with a monstrously high score. If you’re timing +20s on the regular, I’d take you to any content you want.
I am. Please ban it.
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They aren’t discriminating against you because they don’t know you. However there’s 20 other people all sitting in the same Group Finder application list along side you with the same roles and iLvls. The group leader doesn’t know how good ANY of them are so he picks the guy with the highest IO.
Its like applying for a job and listing all your qualifications in your resume but forgetting to put in where you’ve worked previously. How do you think an employer cuts his interview list?
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Looking at your account-wide achievements, I see nothing at all recent. Post on your main.
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I think an issue you’re running into as well and this isn’t nagging on Alliance so much but Horde just tend to have better players at the higher end level. So even their 15’s will require a higher IO. I literally just did a 17 about an hour ago and it was the first one I applied to. From what I can tell for IO requirements on Alliance as long as you’ve either times everything 2 keys lower or timed 1 key lower than what you’re going for you’ll probably be accepted into a group, granted you are competing with other people as well.
For a DPS thats a really good quota, congratz. Others, even with high rio wont have that much luck if they dont open groups themselfes. Now, what is your issue?
This is not a problem with rio, but a problem with your perception and your expectation.
What’s your class?
Personally I almost never take Locks unless I forgot a Brez (also friend already playing a lock so) and I take Shadow Priests even less. Typically look for things like a Hunter and or a Melee since we already double caster.
It’s not always your IO, sometimes people just genuinely don’t want your class/spec.
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Yeah i was gone almost all of bfa and don’t even know where to get io or have experienced pugging with it but from what i can gather it’s like if gearscore in wrath were developed by satan.
It’s kind of inevitable that Blizzard will step in. They just revamped the game to welcome new players and io will hamper that.
I won’t be affected because the entirety of my friend group plays when WoW is fun and dips when it’s not so if Shadowlands is fun and i care to do content as a result i won’t be pugging anyway.
What’s wrong with shadow priest and warlocks? They do just fine.
hmmm… “checking IO” is in nearly every group… so yeah, IO is the reason.
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They (the high end rio) want you to feel you have to buy a carry. Unless you find a group of players that will push keys with you, M+ is locked at the high end imo.
No one loads up old RIO page and checks - its an ingame addon that links scores directly from the website. With the ‘highest main score’ it locked out alot more new players.
This is probably the biggest issue I honestly have with rio. For current players it isn’t an issue unless you haven’t been doing that kind of content. For new/returning players it’s a bit of a drag.
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It literally isn’t the only reason though, but okay.
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I know… they just mouse over your name, check your IO, see its not 2000 and no invite.
I dont get why you needed to point this out…
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The community as a whole needs to put in effort to improve their play then and understand the mechanics on the dungeons. I don’t needlessly get mad that when I feel like I want to play ret that I have to queue for a few listings to get into a key. I’ve been on the other end of that exchange. Sometimes I want a heroism class, or an armor stack for one of my guild members. Or maybe it’s quaking week and I need a ranged to balance out how many quakes I need to deal with in waycrest manor.
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I always do my own keys so I never had this issue. I think IO is a good filter for people who like to pug and only want the best players in their group.
Make your own groups.
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It’s not just higher keys. I see it all the time even at really low keys. People expect to be carried so they’re only inviting people far over the curve. It’s not the fault of blizzard or m+ you’re getting a nice view on how humans work in real life or rather I should say the “society today”.