IO Gatekeeping is Getting Out of Hand

Let me guess. “I got declined on my main, so I come here to the forums to complain about gate-keeping and iO”
:champagne: :popcorn:

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We need a TIO- transmog IO. If it’s below my standards NO invite!

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Yep.
But this is a choice for players who use this tool.
And it won’t change, because people don’t think they should change. After all, the problem with the inadequacy of others, with the parameters of right and wrong, is not with the scales used but with the people who do not reach them.

That’s why I laugh at the people who have suffered from these self-created neuroses, to have only players that they think are worthy of being in their presence, to then be rejected for not meeting the expectations of other people with higher requirements.

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Someone can only gatekeep if they are in control of the group.

Therefore, form your own group.

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What class do you play @OP?

Even having a decent(ish) IO, a ton of gear AND a current Cutting Edge isn’t enough to get you in every group, speaking from personal experience here.

The simple fact of the matter is, that unless you’re well ahead of the curve in gear and experience, as well as playing a super in-demand class like Hunters or Mages, you’re going to get denied more than you get accepted, by a large margin.

There’s just too many people with more experience and gear applying for limited DPS spots (seriously, there’s like a minimum 10 DPS applying for every available spot) for “good” applicants to be consistently the best choice.

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No. Gatekeeping doesn’t exist in games with instanced content. You are free to make your own group for any and all content you wish. You are not entitled to be invited to other people’s groups.

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Gatekeeping exists, but out of necessity.

If you don’t gatekeep, the quality of your groups ends up looking more like LFR than a group capable of finishing a 15 within several hours.

But people tend to have a level of cognitive dissonance towards it.

When they’re locked out of groups, gatekeeping is bad and it’s the communities fault.

When they make a group for a 5 or a 10 or whatever, and get swarmed with 475 applicants, they don’t spare a thought for the people applying who need the gear or experience. They take the best players because it gives their group the best chance of succeeding, while being frustrated that others do the same to them.

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so what I hear when I hear that is “I just recently returned, I don’t know the affixes, I don’t have rank three essences, I don’t have the right corruptions, I’m going to do a fraction of the dps of someone who does have those things”

this is a really crappy tier to try to come in on the tail end of it.

that’s not other player’s fault.

best advice to you is to run your own keys. you can’t reject yourself :slight_smile:

yea. they’re strangers. they don’t know you from Bob. You are expecting strangers to act like friends… that’s not realistic.

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I challenge anyone who is against the supposed “gatekeeping” to make their own group and invite the first four players who apply and are of the appropriate role and see how it goes.

People gatekeep because they want their experience to be an enjoyable one. It’s unfortunate there’s been a system developed that boils your “invitable-ness” down to a single number but it’s the best system the community has.

Especially with the massive amount of run selling that goes on, linking achievements doesn’t mean much anymore. Also linking raiding achievements is kind of pointless… sure you’re a skilled player for having cutting edge, but it doesn’t mean you are seasoned with the dungeon mechanics.

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Push your own keys.

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You don’t know how IO works, this clearly shows it.

You best timed M+ Runs are posted in your characters armory: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/whisperwind/voidarcane

All IO does is take the public information Blizz provides and does a basic formula to generate a score.

For example a +10 key is worth a base of 100 points if you time it with 1 second left. Additional points are added for remaining time, and points taken away if you don’t make the time. There are also 12 dungeons which you can do M+ in.

So if someone has done all 12 dungeons on a +10 and cleared it with 1 second left they will have 1200 io score.

IO score is just gauging competency. If someone has a 1200 io you can expect they are competent enough for a +12 key. The IO addon also shows others what your best time is for that dungeon. If you haven’t cleared that dungeon on a key near what they have posted they may be hesitant.

If you are getting declined, well grind you own key its not that hard. I’ve seen plenty of 470 tanks/heals doing low keys for the free echo’s or they bring a low ilvl friend to get some gear.

Finally there are other reasons you may be declined. Which are one of the following:

  1. They don’t want your class because they have one of your class already or have enough ranged/melee.
  2. You class sucks during that weeks affixes.
  3. Your server may have a bad rap like certain servers having people from Brazil and low Ping etc.
  4. Someone with a better IO is queued; personally I can post a high key and 20 DPS queue within 10 seconds so ya I may not even see you.
  5. Rare but usually when gearing guildies/alts is looking for certain armor types to funnel gear.

Finally remedies to help do high M+ keys. You really only have 2 options.

  1. Use your own key; its not that hard to get up starting from a +2 you can easily 3 chest it to +5 and +8 then probably will 2 chest it to +10. That means you only needed to do a M0 or M+ to get a key and 3 more M+.
  2. Join a guild that does keystones; In my guild we often times run alts and new guildies to show them the ropes and don’t really care about time, I mean ya we prefer to time it but some of us have 8+ alts we want to get 1 key done on a week.

Pretty much my beginning sums it up.

Pretty much IO is like PvP Rating, its a competency check. Best way to describe it.

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I think people overestimate the level of discrimination going on out there. It’s not that people are necessarily setting the bar of entry super high, it’s that they’re so spoiled for options that they only ever really have to take the cream of the crop. If you’re putting a group together and dozens of people apply, of course you’re going to take the best geared/rated people :man_shrugging:

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Play alliance.

Good players are few and far between. Better chance at getting an invite LOL
Maybe you’ll make a group of friends to run with if you’re good enough.

I often see threads like this and I mostly agree with raiderio being bad for the community as a whole. However, I just don’t worry about them. I’m just here to play the game. I’ll queue over and over again til I either get accepted or get into another group. I’ll get in one eventually and still not care about io score because I don’t have time to turn this game into a job. I’m just here to play.

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Like other people mentioned, there is a far greater supply of dps than there is demand so we are quickly disposable and easily replaceable. This will happen with or without this particular addon, it’s just the life as a dps class. Thems the breaks.

Disclaimer: I do not, and never have, used IO, since I never pug keys.

However, I do understand peoples’ thinking. I’m sure you are a good player. However, having CE Argus does not mean that you know how to do the Obelisk shuffle at the end of King’s Rest, or understand why somebody has to open the door in the Kitchen in Waycrest when using the Obelisk there, or understand why we’re doing some mini-bosses with the last boss at the end, but not others.

IO is not about showing the player quality. IO is showing the player’s experience with current M+ dungeons THIS SEASON.

And the exact same info is available on your armory, btw. If IO disappeared tomorrow, people would just check your armory to see your key experience.

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These do not show your ability to complete the dungeons with their affixes. It definitely shows a level of raw ability, but without the experience for doing these dungeons on low keys to learn their mechanics, or +10-+14 to acclimate to the routes and the new affixes, you are simply a risk compared to someone with an IO that shows they’ve done those dungeons at that level already.

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You’re better off not saying anything here about how competent you are OP. The snakes and vultures of this forum will eat you alive. (Elitists)

With the expansion coming to an end, I wouldn’t care about raising that number. Honestly I’d spend my time farming transmogs if I were you before the AoE nerf.

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This is the best argument I’ve seen for raiderio. But, I would like to know how you feel about raiderio being used for normal and heroic raids. It’s not a common thing but it is a thing I’ve seen.

You need to work up that score, I can’t see what you’ve ran because you don’t post on your main -_-.

Have everything to at least a 13 or 14 to get into 15’s consistently. Learned this from watching Shamxd on YT and talking on Twitch with him.