Yes because she is a pychic that could accurately predict what would happen. Not even Velen has that accurate of a far sight.
To be fair, the reality is Jaina DID know this would happen again. Teldrassil isn’t really all that different from another Theramore, which was part of her point. That the Horde would just do it again and again until it’s dismantled.
It’s absolutely silly to argue that Jaina could have know the specifics about Teldrassil.
But she certainly knew the Horde would do another atrocity.
Because that’s all the Horde knows how to do.
Which ultimately only reinforces her decision to leave the Alliance in Legion, because why work with people you know will betray you.
If you are constantly watching your back because you can’t trust your allies, you will get stabbed in the front.
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But the characters in the game don’t have this meta info. Both sides always hope it “will be different this time”, against better knowledge 
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You don’t need to be a psychic to be in the Alliance communication and teleport when something happens.
Archbishop Alonsus Faol was always Forsaken whether he considered himself one or not. He was a citizen of Lordaeron; killed and raised by Arthas. Led by Sylvanas, he broke free of Arthas’ control like all the other Forsaken. He was a resident of Undercity. Just as all the other Forsaken, he had freewill to follow his pursuits. He is Forsaken through and through. Also, Forsaken does not apply to all undead. Calia is definitely not one.
Do we have confirmed evidence of this?
During the Scourging of Lordaeron, Alonsus was raised as a mindless minion of the Undead Scourge[11] though he would later gain free will when the Forsaken, led by Sylvanas Windrunner, freed themselves from the Scourge control.[12]
Also, in BtS, it is mentioned he is living in Undercity.
Oh, I see it. It was just Sylvanas’ claim.
“I liberated him to be a Forsaken so that he could have free will, and thus am I repaid. No matter. I take it you believe he is harmless.”
“He is indeed Forsaken. He seems genuine, though when I suggested he pledge fealty to you and the Horde, he demurred. He said he preferred to serve the Light rather than kings or queens.”
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I’m sure he also prefers not to be undead. That doesn’t make him undead. He is a Forsaken who servers the light. There is no conflict here.
I wasn’t questioning if he was Forsaken. Just whether Sylvanas freed him and that he lives in Undericty. Looks like we just have Sylvanas’ claim and the fact he hasn’t sworn himself to the Horde or Sylvanas. I didn’t really see the part where he lived there skimming when I checked the other sources.
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Alonsus is really not forsaken though. Forsaken is a faction alone. Its a name Sylvanas and her followers took. To be a forsaken is to belong to the faction called the forsaken. Blizzard certainly likes to blur those lines by referring to any undead as forsaken.
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Ok, I understand what you’re saying.
I don’t have a reference handy, but I recall reading in BtS he was living in Undercity serving the spiritual needs of some of the Forsaken. Later he either splits his time or takes up residence at the Netherlight Temple, but my main point I was trying to make was that he is a Forsaken. Calia is not.
Well he, the narrative, and the characters call him that in the novel.
“Your Majesty,” said Velen, “may I present Archbishop Alonsus Faol.”
The Forsaken’s eyes glowed an eerie yellow. They couldn’t possibly twinkle with amusement as a living man’s would, but somehow they did.
“Don’t fret about not recognizing me,” the archbishop said. “I know I don’t look like my portrait.” He lifted a bony hand and stroked his chin. “I’ve lost the beard, you see. Slimmed down quite a bit, too.”
Nathanos’s face was unreadable. “Yes. Hand delivered to me by Archbishop Faol. He’s now a Forsaken.”
“He is indeed Forsaken. He seems genuine, though when I suggested he pledge fealty to you and the Horde, he demurred. He said he preferred to serve the Light rather than kings or queens.”
Blizzard makes up the terms, so they can apply them as they want.
Fair enough. I think that part is beyond doubt.
I dunno, BtS sort of portrayed it as if “Forsaken” was more a developed identity; beyond just the political association. Within the ranks of the Forsaken there are those that would choose to operate under the Identities they held in life more fully, if allowed. There are those that have more fully adopted their Forsaken identities in death. There are many on a spectrum in between. Its the one good concept that book actually came up with. Which is perhaps part of why I am really not fond of Calia … at least as a solo leader on paper. Maybe paired with an equally developed Voss?
While there are any number of reasons for this sort of identity differentiation to occur, “Forsaken” largely seems to surround those that have nothing left of their original lives to go back to. The Plague wiped out entire families, entire towns, entire nations for goodness sake. There are also those like Voss who were thoroughly rejected by their still living friends and family; or worse. Thus, the “Forsaken” identity is largely one developed by those who needed to make new unlives for themselves from scratch. Hence why so many of them have adopted new names.
Its a neat idea if explored. Its perhaps why I want so much for the next leaders of them to better reflect and support that entire spectrum. Its also why I would find it fascinating if the Scourge could be a resource for their continued population. Once those masses are truly free from “Domination”.
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Its still an inaccuracy and completely misleading on the the part of the writers/developers. To call him forsaken implies he is the part of the forsaken faction and shares their philosphical/ontological viewpoints, which he doesn’t.
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But it isn’t. Again, Blizzard makes these terms. They are at liberty to apply them how they want. Like if they want to claim Anduin is part of the Horde now, that’s the case. They determine what the Horde is.
You can infer whatever you like, though that’s on your end. At the end of the day, he’s canonically Forsaken.
One of the major tenants of being a Forsaken is freewill. Foal chooses to exercise his freewill by following his belief in the light. I think what makes him Forsaken is his shared experience with them. He was a citizen of Lordaeron. He witnessed them being slaughtered. He was killed, raised and enslave to the will of Arthas. He broke free of Arthas’ influence and joined the other Forsaken in Undercity. To me, I see that shared experience as what binds the Forsaken together as a people each with their own freewill and personal pursuits.
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If you want to live in a world where words have no meaning and any attempt at communicating ideas is an act of futility, sure.
I’m inferring nothing. That is the implication of calling him or other people forsaken. Maybe in your world you sit on the lampshade to watch the teacup, or turn on the chair in order to read a cow, but for most people thats just unrelatable, and in that world ‘canon’ is just nonsense.
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Two things.
- This is a pretty extreme fallacious slippery slope.
- This is related to a fantasy universe. There’s a pretty clear cut difference between the shifting of words in real world use (which does happen anyway, just less extremely) and an entirely fictional term (like Forsaken) being up to the inventor.
If I write a fiction and come up with a race named ‘Termplins’, those Termplins can be whatever I want.
Very much your inference.
If you want to say Blizzard’s setting is poorly constructed, that’s fine and valid. But it is their perview to construct it how they want. ‘Blizzard used this word they made wrong’ has clear issues whereas ‘this makes the setting bad’ is whatever.
The major tenant of being forsaken is belonging to the forsaken faction and adhering to their laws, customs and ideology. The respect for freewill comes from their collective laws, customs and ideology which is guaranteed for all forsaken citizens. He chose not to join the forsaken and is thereby not forsaken. Any description of him as forsaken is misleading.
If you want to infer that he is forsaken in the same way a 3rd generation american/australian is irish without strictly being irish (not an irish citizen, doesn’t have an irish lilt) thats fine, but clarity about that is important.
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