I'm not buying the "meaningful choices line"

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@Melantin-bonechewer

Multiple bad things can exist at once.

And yet you complain when it effects you. Get in line, pal. Until our cause is joined, I support Blizzards wholesale destruction of the min/maxers.

To be done in by Elitist Jerks, the guys who lived on data, is mildly ironic.

[Melantin-bonechewer]

@Thundahstahm-stormrage

And yet you complain when it effects you. Get in line, pal. Until our cause is joined, I support Blizzards wholesale destruction of the min/maxers.

Uh, yeah, I complain when it effects me. Is there a point here? I complain about PvP too.

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@Melantin-bonechewer

Is there a point here?

Generally the min/maxers are worse than DHs

[Melantin-bonechewer]

Technically DHs are the min/maxers.

Nerf Demon Hunters.

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@Melantin-bonechewer

More than welcome to explain how a video game character that can literally die and restart is in any way related to a potential real world loss of time and money

Gladly, for one if you keep dying because your group sucks. You waste real life time devoting yourself to a video game to complete it.

You also lose real money if you pay on a real money sub that slowly ticks away your hard earned cash if you waste time.

In the workplace, it’s just multiplied tenfold.

[Melantin-bonechewer]

@Triksi-wyrmrest-accord

Gladly, for one if you keep dying because your group sucks. You waste real life time devoting yourself to a video game to complete it.

Cool, if I die in real life, do I get to restart?

@Triksi-wyrmrest-accord

You also lose real money if you pay on a real money sub that slowly ticks away your hard earned cash if you waste time.

So the money in my account will suddenly start to drop if my character dies? I’m avoiding all difficult content from now on lol.

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@Melantin-bonechewer

Cool, if I die in real life, do I get to restart?

Regardless if you die in the game you waste time getting back up and going to complete what you’re going to complete. You also waste time if you hire a person and they suck at their job you tried to train them in to be good at.

In both worlds, if that recruit leaves in the first 2 days or 2 pulls that’s a huge net loss on time.

@Melantin-bonechewer

So the money in my account will suddenly start to drop if my character dies

Your money is slowly being wasted when you have an active sub. If you waste 1 hours wiping over and over the accumulated loss adds up to be wasted.

[Melantin-bonechewer]

@Triksi-wyrmrest-accord

Regardless if you die in the game you waste time getting back up and going to complete what you’re going to complete. You also waste time if you hire a person and they suck at their job you tried to train them in to be good at.

In both worlds, if that recruit leaves in the first 2 days or 2 pulls that’s a huge net loss on time.

So in other words they aren’t comparable…at all.

@Triksi-wyrmrest-accord

Your money is slowly being wasted when you have an active sub. If you waste 1 hours wiping over and over the accumulated loss adds up to be wasted.

I mean if I do every single piece of content the game has to offer in a day or if it takes me the entire month, the price hasn’t changed. There is no loss so I’m not sure where you are pulling this from.

[Zeusgodofsky-thrall (Zeusgodofsky)]

Well said GD master!

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@Moonpowa-tichondrius

You can repeat the phrase meaningful choices as often as you want, but anyone with experience in this game knows that there are really no choices. You look at the talents the top players use and pick those.

In Covenants, there are four choices. Just because you will choose to copy off others does not mean everyone does.

Personally, I will be choosing based on my character’s character. Others have said they will choose based on theme. Still others will choose based on the transmog. And so on.

Just because you do something does not mean everyone does it. And assuming that is incredibly egotistical. You only speak for and represent you.

@Moonpowa-tichondrius

And yes, if you’re a casual player, we all know you’re alright with being locked in to anything. You don’t need high performance to do transmog and LFR runs, so why would you care? Any bonus you get just makes it go a little faster. There’s no need post that. We know.

Any bonus also means less effort.

And I hate to break it to you but that is all it does for you too. You are not playing some other, more significant game here; you are playing the same game as the rest of us. Higher levels just need more effort, not more flexibility.

@Moonpowa-tichondrius

Is it possible that if we knew why these decisions were really made, it would be a little easier to swallow?

Not on GD.

It would just be a new subject for people to wring their hands over and cry ‘The sky is falling! The sky is falling!’.

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@Melantin-bonechewer

So in other words they aren’t comparable…at all.

When you compare dying in the game to dying in real life of course it’s not comparable.

What I’m talking about is you wasting time when your group leader efforts are in vain.

Only laser focusing on the non comparable aspects doesn’t prove the two worlds aren’t comparable.

@Melantin-bonechewer

I mean if I do every single piece of content the game has to offer in a day or if it takes me the entire month, the price hasn’t changed. There is no loss so I’m not sure where you are pulling this from.

When you spend your time not doing that content or when other people stop you from doing that content by sucking.

[Melantin-bonechewer]

@Triksi-wyrmrest-accord

When you compare dying in the game to dying in real life of course it’s not comparable.

That’s it, full stop. Thank you for admitting that decision making in a video game isn’t comparable to decision making in the outside world.

@Triksi-wyrmrest-accord

When you spend your time not doing that content or when other people stop you from doing that content by sucking.

Considering you are paying for server access, that’s 100% irrelevant.

[anon89577673]

This comic is the embodiment of the community:

https: //www .darklegacycomics.com/comics/733.jpg

[Melantin-bonechewer]

https://www.darklegacycomics.com/comics/733.jpg

I wish people would stop with the spaces lol.

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@Melantin-bonechewer

That’s it, full stop. Thank you for admitting that decision making in a video game isn’t comparable to decision making in the outside world.

I gave you some ground that dying in both worlds is not comparable, that doesn’t mean wasting time in both worlds isn’t, especially as a group leader and employer alike.

[Melantin-bonechewer]

Sorry but they just aren’t comparable in any way, shape or form. Trying to compare a decision in a video game that literally has zero repercussions to the outside world is incredibly asinine.

[anon89577673]

I can’t post links for some reason.

[Mafic-emerald-dream (Mafic)]

Good post.

It is pure propaganda coming from Blizz HQ lately. What we can do is be patient and watch the dumpster fire hit the live client with shadowlands launch. It will be the end of the diablo B team’s vision of throttled player experience via a narrow pathway which is not congruent with how MMORPGs are to be played for endgame.

[Melantin-bonechewer]

You don’t, you use Preformatted text

[Triksi-wyrmrest-accord]

Again I’m arguing the decision making at a fundamental level, I’m not arguing the consequences or the results. I guess there are just some people that can’t be reasoned with, especially when they’re playing a level 10 alt