"World buffs were in during vanilla. Why would you spend 30 hours getting owned like that if world buffs were in? Oh yeah, that is right, because the tactics were not known. "
I 100% guarantee a bunch of people are going to die on Sapphiron because they don’t get behind a block.
(People will be dying to a 1 shot mechanic, trust me)
I take it you don’t pvp, dont world pvp, and in general base every action you do around preparing for a raid.
Well that is one way to take my words out of context. Read the next sentence. You know, the part where I talk about the 30 hours of wiping to naxx was not because of world buffs, it was because of not knowing the tactics. The tactics are known now. World buffs will have little to do with people clearing content. World buffs with affect parses hugely and speed clears hugely. The content will still be cleared.
I got rank 11 in classic and have a full season 1 gladiator set on my level 70
The majority of the playerbase is not prepared for the increase in expenses up from as little as 50 to 100 percent. You do not have the foresight to comprehend this nor are you willing to accept this.
Aside from progression, there was very little to do to prepare for raids. After progression, we showed up, killed mobs, went home. BTW we had meme spec’s also, including the number one ret pally in wow classic. We routinely went in with less than ideal raid comps. None of it mattered because the strats were known and our players performed. Once strats are known, all you have to do is execute them.
"World buffs were in during vanilla. Why would you spend 30 hours getting owned like that if world buffs were in? Oh yeah, that is right, because the tactics were not known. They are now known. Anyone that doesn’t know them can just look them up, or most likely has a guild or raid leader that tells them what to do. The tactics are not changing, the players are better. The only way to make this game any kind of challenge is to remove the world buffs. "
this is where I disagree.
everyone can kill Kel’Thuzad, not everyone can clear BWL in 18 minutes like Progress did.
no, I do not “understand” that world buffs are required to do WoW vanilla content. i guess I don’t understand this because it’s not true.
Are you talking about the number one ret pally in all of wow classic that literally took PIs, bubbles and ran into the raid instance while his guild was getting sappered down and wiped so he could save his wbuffs? You can’t fool me bro, I know who it is and what he did to be “number one”
Good, I will be that top guilds get to struggle a little bit and the average player gets to struggle a crap ton. This is exactly what I like to see, a challenge. You don’t get better as a player by stacking up more buffs to make everything easier, you get better as a player by challenging yourself. You get to find out what you are made of. For you, I think it is silly putty.
clearing BWL in 18 minutes is an exploit. glad it was fixed.
I didn’t say it was required. I said the incompetent and less than average players will suffer later on without them. I am not asking for wbuffs for myself, I am saying they need to stay in for a reason
“World buffs were in during vanilla. Why would you spend 30 hours getting owned like that if world buffs were in? Oh yeah, that is right, because the tactics were not known. They are now known. Anyone that doesn’t know them can just look them up, or most likely has a guild or raid leader that tells them what to do. The tactics are not changing, the players are better. The only way to make this game any kind of challenge is to remove the world buffs. The people crying for world buffs in a known tactic game are the same people that use every cheat code in every game simply because they want their trophy now, not after any kind of struggle.”
I was in a top guild for my server in classic (horde guild). We still wiped 7 times to firemaw. (week 1 of BWL release)
Guess why?
Because the tanks were messing up.
World buffs can’t help you on firemaw if the tanks don’t know what to do.
Our 7 wipes on firemaw proved that.
We went on to 1 shot Chromag and 1 shot Nef.
World buffs are still better than not having world buffs.
There are consequences for dying in a raid or getting ganked by a songflower in felwood. World buffs make the game better.
I’m so moved by your selfless concern for others (lol), but I can assure you, they will be fine without WBs.
Of Course he did that to me number one when a majority of the player base was going to follow a META to try and beat him, anyone with a brain would see that because of players like you PUSHED for it.
Its called ‘Season of Mastery’. aka, git gud
To the contrary, most of the no WB supporters have probably played Classic/Vanilla more than anyone. Most private servers haven’t allowed world buffs for years to make the experience more “Vanilla-like”.
if you want world buffs, go play a classic era server. sorry if you don’t want to hear that, but that’s the answer. you have what you want already, so go play it.
Well, that’s the problem isn’t it. The streamers have spoken. Blizzard will always cater to them as they have the potential to bring in fresh meat.
I will say that I will miss the world buffs. It’s sad that people can’t take a little time out of their day to be prepared for raid. It’s like getting up and prepared for work, although many of these past few generations can’t relate to that either.
It took me less than 90 minutes to get all my buffs and be ready for raid. It’s was like a pre-raid ritual for me. I know of others who could do it in half that time though.
Anyone who couldn’t be asked to take a simple trip to Dire Maul before raid was a bad player that doesn’t deserve a raid spot anyway. Now they are making entire servers for these kinds of people. Population will be dead before P3.