I'm convinced the "no world buffs" crowd literally never played this game

I have been playing vanilla for years. It is the only iteration I enjoy, but thank you for your thoughtless input. I will clear the content effortlessly with my boys regardless, the casual playerbase have no idea what it will mean for them to not have Wbuffs later on in the game

are you sure you won’t die of boredom from all the “slow motion”? :roll_eyes:

I really hope this is not the case.

When I say slow motion I am not referring to us. The content will still be steamrolled by your strongest players. We don’t play classic to enjoy these raids, we stomp them out for pvp gear, we play the game for the rank, the world pvp and WSG.

I still don’t think you get it…

Players in general who want no wbuffs I have noticed are typically lazy, and fairly average at best in their performances. I do not think you understand the drag it will have on your guild when you are in naxx 5-6 hours a week, and still have other raids to complete. These types of guilds look forward to including offspecs due to the debuff limit exemption, further gimping their speed on top of “buffed” bosses. I assume you have played classic one time, and I believe that is all you have done

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Also this, can you imagine an average or below average guild wiping for +20 or +30 hours to try to clear naxx when Naxx drops. This game needs world buffs, mostly for the average and below average guilds.

Why would people take a person seriously who points down to peoples opinions because of them not exposing their classic char due to the same folks as yourself to combat harrasment in the game itself?

Most people have played classic. Most have raided aswell. Be it on EU or US, not everyone who posts here has an active US account but on EU. You don’t need an active acc for retail wow but you certainly do for classic hence most EU ones are lvl 10 retail chars.

I personally do not care about them having worldbuffs or them not having them. It’s just the majority of people have voted that stuff out for various reasons. It had ups and downs while the ups were in the raids itself, the downs were keeping them up until next raid, having to stay logged out actually not playing the game until blizz put in the boon.

Also might be interesting to see who is topping the metres now. Perhaps not warriors all over again.

"not everyone who posts here has an active US/EU account "

yes they do.

Not to mention with their lack of foresight and classic xp in general, multi spam wipes in Naxx with no wbuffs will cost each individual player in their guild THOUSANDS and I mean THOUSANDS of gold just to slog through naxx. I believe no wbuffs will destroy the casual/incompetent playerbase completely in p6, 1/3 of it in p5.

i can post here on my free trail account, no sub attached to it.

Gaming the system

So your biggest argument for the casual player “needing” world buffs is 1 phase of the 6. On top of that, I’m sure if we dug a little deeper the world buffs would be “Needed” for maybe 3 encounters of that phase? 3 encounters of the whole game that “need” world buffs does not make the argument that world buffs need to be in. Your casual player today is as good, if not better than you sweaty players back in the day. The content will be cleared. Maybe not by you cause you “need” world buffs, but the average player will clear all content. You need only go to warcraft logs and see the no world buffs category to see that the content is able to be beaten without world buffs. My guild, along with most other top guilds, refused to participate in the no world buffs category. This means, most of the logs in the no world buff category are from non top guilds. The content will be cleared without world buffs just fine. If anything, it will be exciting to have an actual challenge as opposed to the absolute snooze fest that was wow classic. Our guild walked into a new raid zone and I could almost see the mobs just giving us their loot to spare their life. It was that easy. It was too easy.

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This guy never spent +30 hours wiping in naxx in a guild that wasn’t a top 300 world guild.

LOL

People just don’t understand because they have only played once, probably aren’t avid pvpers, and find it a drag to go get wbuffs the night before raid. That is just part of the game. On average it will take each player in the raid 1k gold or more for naxx each week, that adds up indefinitely if you spam wipe with an incompetent raid makeup and your “buddies” running terrible specs. Again though THEY ALL KNOW BEST! Vets know what is coming. I persoanlly don’t even worship wbuffs, I just go get them before raid it takes no time or effort. I just know what 80% of the playerbase will be facing without them.

World buffs were in during vanilla. Why would you spend 30 hours getting owned like that if world buffs were in? Oh yeah, that is right, because the tactics were not known. They are now known. Anyone that doesn’t know them can just look them up, or most likely has a guild or raid leader that tells them what to do. The tactics are not changing, the players are better. The only way to make this game any kind of challenge is to remove the world buffs. The people crying for world buffs in a known tactic game are the same people that use every cheat code in every game simply because they want their trophy now, not after any kind of struggle.

My favorite nights of any game I have ever played has always been the times my guild has struggled, sometimes endlessly, to defeat an encounter. Guilds rarely lose people during progression. Most people stop playing from boredom of farming.

You seem to want to get to that boredom as fast as possible. I want to enjoy other people’s company and overcome the odds. We are very different people.

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I will enjoy the unlimited guild recruitment as your guilds break up starting in p5

Seeing 80% of the player base struggle to complete all content will actually make me happy. MMORPGs should never be designed with the idea that every person has to be able to complete all of the content. If every person has the legendary gear from the final raid mob in the game then how legendary is that gear. It isn’t, it is common.

I am a firm believe that the top mobs in the top zones should be so hard that maybe 5% of the game clears it. You talk about how hard it is going to be for the average player to clear naxx and here I am saying to myself “good, everyone is not supposed to clear everything.”

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My guild cleared all content within two weeks of it releasing except phase 1 cause we had to level. Without world buffs, maybe it will take three weeks this time. Of course, we will have less gear from less farming, and the mobs will have more health, so maybe, just maybe it will take us 4 weeks. We will clear it all though simply because the tactics are known. That fact will never change.

A game doesn’t have to be hard to be fun. If you are playing vanilla for the raids you aren’t even playing the game.

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"World buffs were in during vanilla. Why would you spend 30 hours getting owned like that if world buffs were in? "

If you think MOST GUILDS are going to 1 shot the first 8 bosses in naxx week 1 of Naxx release you’re high.

Also you’re smoking a lot of drugs.

All one sided victories are boring. No one talks about games where one side just demolishes the other side. Everyone talks about the games that come down to the last second and were back and forth the whole time.

No one talks about the 20 times they farmed a mob. Everyone remembers the difficult struggles to get to that point. Games about the struggles and overcoming them. Making you so overwhelmingly powerful that there are no struggles makes the game boring. Might as well just fast forward to the end so you can have all the loot and watch the server close down. Enjoy the struggle, enjoy the journey.