Karazhan was supposed to be in original WoW as well as a raid but it got used for TBC instead. There was also supposed to be another BG and other things.
wasn’t it cut for time constraints or something?
In Aszhara right? Was kind of DOTA style with lanes?
Yes to both.
My guild hated world buffs, and made everyone get them or they couldn’t come to raid. I hope world buffs stay dead.
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So you aren’t #nochanges, you just want WBs to carry you through content. Lmao got it
Is um had it ever occurred to you that maybe they’re posting on all is there a posting on alt characters because they know better and don’t want to get Is spanned.
Raiding with world buffs is the equivalent of turning on sv_cheats and noclipping to KT. Let go of the past and challenge yourself bro. Replace that T3 with some sweet Underbog blues and touch some grass.
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Yeah let’s see where the nowbuffs crowd is at when it’s p5/6 and have to slog thru every raid in slow motion every week
The point is that it wasn’t meta. Gamer dads weren’t remote logging in from their day job to catch their buffs. Only a handful of euro sweatlord guilds were doing it.
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I am not sure you know what meta means. It was 100% meta, it wasn’t widely known or used. But it was absolutely meta. Top 100 guild’s knew about them.
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a “meta” in gaming terminology is a generally agreed upon strategy by the community.
How can it have been meta if it wasn’t widely known or used?
Anyone that claims players outside of the absolute best realm first guilds consciously used world buffs to gain an edge did not play Vanilla WoW. And even then, it wasn’t something that was used in that way until Naxxramas. Furthermore, it wasn’t even used outside of killing Sapphiron and KT. In Vanilla WoW, people didn’t literally farm alts to drop buffs on cooldown.
Yeah this is mostly true, but meta means “Most Effective Tactics Available”. It has nothing to do with being widely circulated.
Well, now you’re arguing semantics.
It’s obvious that world buffs were “meta” in the sense that they were the most effective tactic even back in Vanilla WoW, but this is only from a contemporary point of view. It wasn’t “consciously” the meta back then.
Yeah I think we are getting a little into the weeds here. I don’t think world buffs are good for casual players, which most players are. And meta rolls down hill. More casual players get caught up in it whether they want it or not.
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I am thinking most people do not know what “META” actually means. I write it all in capital letters because it is an acronym. The definition of META is Most Effective Tactics Available. People not knowing about it, or people not using it does not make it not the META. Running the raids with full world buffs was most definitely the META. There is absolutely no tactic that makes the raid more effective than full world buffs.
This is also why Blizzard not only got rid of them in TBC originally, but is now getting rid of them in this iteration of classic. They did not anticipate people getting every buff in the game and then refusing to log in until raid time. Every game company ever has put things into place with the intention of them being used one way only to see that the hundreds of thousands, sometimes millions of players are going to find ways to gain advantages over those intentions. The world buffs made the raid encounters obsolete. Every raid on Classic was a joke, including Naxx. There are three main factors that made the raids a joke. 1. The strats are known (This is not able to be fixed without some major changes). 2. The player base is simply better today than it was in 2004 - 2006. (Not able to be fixed, in fact the players will just keep getting better) 3. World Buffs (The only thing that is easily changeable and will make a large impact.)
If you want a complete joke of a game, go play tic tac toe or something. I do not use cheat codes and I do not cry when something that used to be easy becomes a challenge. I rise to the occasion. So I say to you, embrace the change and start rising to the occasion. The change is made. Your choices are embrace it and enjoy it for what it is or keep crying about it and be miserable for the next year or so.
(edit) I see in my long winded post, several other people have chimed in that world buffs were in fact the META. Does not matter who used or did not use them, they were the META.
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Yeah. I was in a casual guild for the second half of Classic. I wanted to get away from all of the sweaty world buff meta. But like you said, it eventually caught up with the dad guild I was in and when Naxx was harder than expected, world buffs became mandatory.
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The problem is, you have 2 options. World buffs generally mean having to use less consumes. And farming gold takes infinitely longer then accumulating world buffs. People will usually take the path of least resistance.
Maybe you’re just a masochist and spending an hour of your life every raid time is appealing. I hope they make a #reenochange server parallel to the seasonal server so that you sweaty palms can keep living.
It’s either an hour before raid, or farming more consumes because the raid takes longer. Just for the record, I am fine with either. But something has got to give.
if raiding without WBs is “slow motion” to you, then you never belonged in classic. retail is where you belong. and i don’t mean that as an insult, retail was just designed for people like you.
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