The big deal is that it strongly encourages RMT and gold bot farming.
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More cringe and zero actual argument. Embarrassing.
I don’t think you can have an honest conversation without being rude or condescending. It’s every single GDKP lover’s go-to. They don’t want to lose their favorite toy. Yikes. You really think it was the developers’ intent when making Vanilla that you should be able to buy with gold drops from raids other than the BoEs?
Embarrassing.
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He is replying to me and I’ve never hosted a GDKP - so I think he was referring to me ‘selling’ my carry services.
But I am in the same boat - I’m happy for host to take 5-10% if they are putting together smooth runs and organizing 39 people. I both understand the hassle or organizing that many people and have zero desires to spend my time dealing with logistics in a video game.
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Buyer means someone that needs items from that raid.
Hybrid needs maybe a few items from the raid but has most.
Carry usually needs no items from the raid (though at naxx some carries still need a few bis items).
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I know it is hard for you gold buyers to understand that buyer has a different term when it comes to GDKPs.
You are coping hard calling me a gold buyer when you can’t bring yourself to agree that an official untradable-DKP that you could turn into gold (one-way) would improve all the good aspects of GDKP and remove the bad (RMT).
The part of the quoted post that you removed highlights the issue with your definitions.
See, but I’m not actually convinced that it does. Where’s the direct evidence? This is ultimately, an assumption.
- In 2019, bots were rampant and totally out of control. Blizzard did nothing. They were everywhere. The game was polluted and corrupted, everyone bought gold. This is ultimately, the reason I quit. However, coming back in 2024, I actually see far fewer bots now.
- People have always bought gold. I see no indication this has increased since GDKPs became popular. If anything, I suspect it’s decreased because now people have a means to acquire gold quickly and reliably through GDKPs.
I’m not necessarily saying you’re wrong. The correlation is logical, and it’s entirely possible they are linked… but as of right now, I’m unconvinced until I see some actual data on the issue.
You refused to make a coherent proposal. You can say you did but that would just show you’ve never implemented even simple software. Again - copy paste your idea here if it is well defined and we can discuss it.
Items in ZG / AQ 20 / MC are nearly all min bid - a player leveling normally, that went and spent a week or two getting prebis should have enough gold to buy full raid set from ZG / AQ20 / MC that is good enough to take in BWL / AQ40.
They can then use those earlier raids to farm gold to buy the few items in BWL / AQ40 that are needed to get into naxx.
Thousands of players do this and love it.
It’s really very obviously does and Blizzard agrees.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/gdkp-in-season-of-discovery/1777411
Personally, I don’t know what their angle is. Blizzard enjoys the fact that people are botting and RMTing in their game because it generates revenue for them.
I wouldn’t necessarily say its highly used in era because its a great system, but moreso that you’re getting raids of 40 people fighting over a couple pieces of loot per boss, so if you’ve got the gold to spend, you’re getting decked out quickly. SoD kind of defeats that purpose with double the loot and half the raid sizes.
True last year from March till Nov of 2023, but now this sort of behavior is actually very rare.
You’re saying this to someone that has raided their toon that need zero items for over a year because the payouts make it fun.
It is used because it is a great system.
I know you’re trolling, but there is nothing that hasn’t been explained about the system at this point.
I still know you’re trolling, but this also has absolutely nothing to do with implementing “software”. Are you actually trying to suggest that account-bound DKP is technologically impossible? Just lol.
For some yes, there’s a reason why its still banned in SoD though. If it truly impacted Blizzards bottom line immensely with subscriptions dropping, they would’ve brought it back. However its still banned because the majority of the playerbase is fine without it. The vocal minority on the forums don’t dictate the popularity of gdkps either.
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This really does give you away that you don’t actually know how they work.
“Buyer” simply means you need items from the raid. It does not mean you bought gold, it just means you have gold and are willing to spend it on something.
“Carry” is someone who needs nothing from the raid, they just want the gold payout at the end. This is called the “pot”. Anyone who buys anything, that gold is contributed to the pot.
You need a balanced numbers of buyers vs carries… Carries ensure the raid is smooth and easy. Buyers ensure there’s at least something in the pot for everyone to share.
Whether you are a buyer or a carry, everyone gets an even split of the pot, even if you bought something, and even if you’re in greens and bought nothing. You all helped down the boss, so everyone is part of the team. The host (raid leader, sometimes 2 people) takes 5% on top of their normal cut. This seems fair to me. Top DPS and top Heals usually also get 1% more. The rest is split evenly between everyone.
There seems to be lots of people who don’t actually know how these raids are run… so here’s an example…
My first ZG GDKP as a fresh 60, I bought Jin’do’s Hexxer for 1100g. Again, “bought” doesn’t mean I swiped my credit card, it means I used in game gold to buy it. Gold I earned fairly.
This item started at 500g minimum, with bid increments of 100g. 3 of us were biding, 600g… 700g… 800g… 1000g… then finally mine with 1100g. I won the item. A bunch of other good stuff dropped which many other people bought. All the money was contributed to the pot. At the end of the raid, everyone’s split (even mine) ended up being 700g… so in the end, my item only ended up costing me 400g. The next raid, I bought an item for 300g (minimum bid), the payout on that raid was 600g for everyone… so I actually made money on that raid while also still looting something.
Between the two raids, I was down 100g for 2 items. So I’m basically breaking even. The carries on the other hand, made 1300g because they didn’t buy anything.
This all seems pretty fair and efficient to me. I don’t see what the big deal is.
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bruh you haven’t even explained how your system creates points.
Try this. It creates points exactly the same way that WoW creates gold, at the exact same time that WoW creates gold.
When you loot 1g36s from a mob, you get 1.36 DKP.
So you just recreated gold?
We have that already and it works great
No, it’s not tradable - but you were told that dozens of times and now you’re pretending you just don’t get. Please tell me more about “implementing a simple software”.
So each boss drops like x dkp** and the players get their share then they bid on items?
But they cannot trade it to alts - so it is useless for bis toons.
Do you know how much gold the average ZG boss drops versus average Naxx boss?
Just like traditional DKP this has the flaw that its character locked.
This is the problem that GDKP solves, it allows you to gear the ever living beans out of 1 character stock up a TON of gold and then use that gold on new characters to get gear easily because they’re alts.
This is how lots of GDKP players play the game.
This is not how I personally play, I prefer to Self found each character, but there is nothing wrong with what they’re doing.
Another nice feature of GDKP is that you can effectively use it to buy consumables for Raid or PVP or to level new trade skills.
This feature is absent from every other loot system.
The only people who TRULY hate GDKP are gold sellers because the cannot penetrate the Whitemane Economy anymore.