Honestly sound like you and your friends are just really bad at the game. Imagine not being able to come together and form your own weekly raid instead of voluntarily sitting on the sidelines pointing fingers and crying. Go kick rocks
Probably some very well rewarded mage boosters out there. Really gotta appreciate those wall hacks with the coin it deserves and youll know what that amount is because they’ll advertise it and collect it from you in advance before performing the service you’re rewarding them for.
This is great for the community because it boosts the GDKP pool for the people who dont need to raid to afford their consumes for all the raids they dont need to do.
GDKP is the same thing as tipping that rogue or enchanter. Literally no different.
I had to read this 3 times and it still doesn’t quite make sense to me.
It takes work to assemble and run a raid… why shouldn’t the host take a small cut? It is, afterall, a very small cut. If I don’t want to pay that cut, I could always run my own raid… but I don’t want to, because it’s work.
Voluntary transactional environment? What does this even mean? People volunteer to pay the host? Yes… Because… they’re providing a service? This is how all transactions work… they provide something valuable to me, I pay them. What on earth is wrong with that?
That’s how the world works.
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I’m beginning to think the anti gdkp crowd are true anti capitalist communists.
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LMFAO. Yeah, so is Blizzard for “not allowing you” to sell your gold and items directly for USD.
My era rogue is literally in an SR guild.
They’re there you just don’t want to put in the work to find them.
Wrong use of gaslighting and cope filled.
“Spirit of vanilla” is a meaningless phrase. “Oh no people bid on loot instead of rolling? Guess the entire SPIRIT OF VANILLA IS RUINED.” What a clown opinion.
This is the core fundamental issue with every single anti gdkp player. You refuse to acknowledge that your hyperbole is just outright wrong and can’t help but to vilify every single gdkp player. It’s disingenuous but you somehow expect me to want to carry a serious conversation with you when you openly demonize myself and everyone else out of your own fear and ignorance. 
Literally join an SR guild. They’re there, you just refuse to look past /2 for them. Sounds like a you issue. Sucks to suck. put in the smallest amount of work and you’ll find an SR guild.
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Like a charity? GDKPs are sales transactions between players for roster spots and raid epics that go to the highest bidder. Its a business, not a self sacrificing effort in the name of community building.
GDKPs are optional. You could not sell or buy raid gear and distribute it another way.
Thanks for heads up, I had no idea.
Im not whining about GDKPs existing. Ive defended their existence - people can form raids for any reasons they like under any loot paradigm that gives them the warms and fuzzies and motivates them to be there. Makes no difference to me.
Its when the people that engage them say everything they can about them and a whole bunch of things they cant while casually ignoring the elephant in the room - they’re selling raid carries - then tell you selling and buying raid carries is on par with if not better than guild raiding.
I dont care that you GDKP. Just don’t suggest there is anything noble about it. If you’re gonna sully the experience at least have the decency to be honest about it. If you can’t do that than just be quiet.
It means its not you’re typical LFG channel pug or SR raid like every GDKP participant keeps trying to imply by way of omission. It means everyone that sells and buys knows what the deal is. Im going to charge you for the ease and convenience of not having to be an equally contributing member to a dedicated raid team or pug and you’re going to pay me for doing the heavy lifting you can’t be bothered to do.
Im sorry, I mean you’re going to “reward” me for my dirty work. /wink /wink
The problem, if you want to call it that, is GDKP players can’t stay in their lane. They’re honestly convinced of their bs.
Is it still a carry when nothing you need drops and you get a payout instead at the end (get a payout regardless at the end of the raid)?
If you signed on to be carried and contributed gold to the refund you’re getting at the end, then yes.
Also, again, the system is designed to collect and pay out gold. Why people keep insisting this is some kind of extra perk of GDKP is beyond me. Its literally built to do that.
Your question betrays the reality of GDKP.
If the payout is really just “your cut of the DKP”, then why are raids looking for “buyers” at all? Raid leaders are looking for whales to spend swiped gold in their raids.
It doesn’t make sense that all of these players who don’t have any gear also have a ton of DKP. You’ll say it’s alts, but that only works under the premise that no new players have started on era, ever, since GDKP began.
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Uhhh you need buyers so there can be a pot at the end?! But umm the buyers still get a % from the end when gold is distributed. Making sense for you?
Biggest draw for me to gdkps.
Not sorry but after 20 years of carrying people through raids, watching them show up in trash gear they could have replaced with crafting, or PvP, or (not era) emblems, etc, showing up with bad or no enchants, or (not era) gems, showing up without consumable buffs, showing up late or drunk, showing up without any care to do the fight correctly because they’re “just trying to have a good time” at the expense of the entire rest of the raid, has completely put me off of wanting to raid with randoms for free. I realized I hated it in full the moment I saw a DST (after 2 months of not having any DST drop) go to a surv hunter who grey parsed every fight they lived through… every fight they lived through. My bis for the entire tbc game went to that, and all I had was about 300ish gold worth of consumables down the drain and wasted an hour or so of time watching these baboons bumble around.
I charge now. It’s whatever the bid is for the loot is my going rate.
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They bring in $500 in gold to the raid. They blow $350 on some drops, they get $25 back at the end. Slot machines payout the same way. Making sense for you?
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You forgot to include the gear they got, so clearly not making any sense to you. It never was though.
No, I didn’t.
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Wait. You are saying people are buying $500 worth of gold for a gdkp raid? lol
Yeah, if they only have one piece of BIS that they want.
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What server is this? Have you done a gdkp before?
Whitemane. What kind of LARP is this, who do you think you’re fooling?
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I have no problem with it. I dont think 98.3% of gold in Era gdkps in 2024 was bought from a third party website a few hours before the raid. Some people need that little something extra to not get bored with raiding and a perma P6 server in general and this is how they do it. Like parsing. Im not being forced to participate so I dont sweat it.
Its the gameplay loop people made so they can keep playing their geared toons and they substituted gear for gold. I would freely admit GDKPs are not within the spirit of the game but where I part ways with anti gdkpers is I don’t think that’s a crime - its a choice. Which you’re free to make imo.
Its not the big deal people make it out to be. That goes for both parties.
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