I'm a 2004 original player... here's my thoughts on GDKP

Doesn’t change what I said.

You’ll never put that at the forefront of what you’re saying because you want to just hate gdkps.

Thanks for proving my point.

lmfao. cope. pick your punishment for RMTers, I’ll agree to it.
I have never so much as bought a WoW token (with cash), it doesn’t effect me at all.

It’s not cope, you have a distinct issue of not being able to keep normal players who gdkp and buyers/sellers separate. You’re disingenuous.

I can promise that I’ll never see you angry about buyers and sellers separate from gdkp. You will always link the two together because you choose to vilify everyone who does gdkps.

Because at the end of the day you don’t hate rmt. You may not like it, but you don’t hate it nearly as much as you just hate gdkps. You’ll cope and project gold buying and selling onto the rest of us because it’s all you can do.

It’s sad.

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You get the points from raiding. I’m not going to go back and forth so that you can pretend like irrelevant hurdles (see account bound idea) destroy the possibility of non-RMT DKP. DKP is a system that already worked for a long time. This is just DKP that is officially supported by the game (like gold) and it can’t be traded (unlike gold).

Moreover, you will find any incongruence whatsoever with gold to always be worth more than eliminating cheating from your favorite loot system. You value the removal of cheating from GDKP at zero.

Any issue you have - all the way down to boosting alts with DKP could be solved. I don’t feel at all that this is something that should be preserved, but you could preserve it. Trading DKP between players would, obviously, not be preserved.

Again how does the system you propose work?

Let me help you a bit since this may be your first feature design:

How many points per boss?
Are people bidding or are items set price?
Can points be deducted? If so who has that power?
Do points expire?
How are they transferred?
Can you buy consumes / items on AH with points?
What are they called?

There are many other things that must be defined if you want to propose something concrete.

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All of this stuff is irrelevant floundering because:

Literally pick whatever answer YOU want it to be like for all of those questions. Except the player-to-player trade you tried to sneak in there.

I’ve gone through the thought experiment and I know my answer.

It’s also clear as day you haven’t thought through your proposal.

The only thing we agree on is to ban all gold buyers / sellers.

No kidding, that’s why I’ve been telling you for days:

I have been clear for years on my stance against gold buyers and sellers - gdkps would be much better without them.

GDKPs however, are the best loot system imo.

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You can craft a perfect version of an incorruptible gdkp and he’d still hate it because it’s a gdkp.

Anti gdkps players are all the same once you realize they only hate gdkps and use rmt as a shield when met with criticism of their hatred for gdkps.

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I would rather see gold buying reward a permanent ban for a battle net account.

I would rather players buy sketchy 3rd party gold than have wow token, infact ill point out soon as wow token was added in wrath the game died that same week.

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I remember high end guilds clearing naxx back in the day offering to carry people.

They had to pay of course and they would take them in the raid and clear it and they would get loot.

Gdkp is the same deal. People who are geared selling carries. Thats all it is. Its like paying for an arena carry, or a mage to aoe a dungeon to help level you faster.

Its always been gross and sweaty. The person paying then flexs their paid loot and titles like they earned it. It just immature and corny to me, but to each his own, i suppose.

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I am the one suggesting the official/“incorruptible” DKP system, and your fellow RMT enjoyer, Xdrain, is the one who hates it.

You literally cannot read nor think. Your complete inability to absorb even the most simple aspects of my point of view is really disturbing, but not at all unexpected from a rmt-greed-brained zombie.

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No, you’re still disingenuous.

You proposed the most vague idea and refused to elaborate further. Xdrain asked for an elaboration of how this system would work and your exact response was this :point_down:

You instantly folded and refused to elaborate because all you attempted to do was throw word vomit together. Explain how your non tradable dkp works in practice and maybe I’ll come around but if all your going to do is scream about a possible solution in theory with no further elaboration then I have absolutely no reason to support your notion.

Come on you like to pretend to rub your last 2 mongrel brain cells together so actually do it for once instead of whatever this cope is.

Oh goodie the old man has a whole two possible things to say to me again. If it isn’t cope it’s going to be insults so I’ll follow suit even more now.

Trash can low tiers like yourself can only fathom being carried in mid af SR raids, can’t make gold on your own and thus feel this compulsion to buy gold for gdkps, then project that onto the rest of us.

Maybe one day you’ll be good enough to understand that gdkps aren’t your enemy but after 20 years I’m not holding my breath.

Dude you’re getting drug through the mud face down. Absolutekek indeed.

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I was thinking the same thing. Dude has em grasping at straws.

Yeah, I’m disingenuous even though you didn’t even know which side of the argument was the one suggesting the un-tradable DKP 1 post ago, and you flipped your disposition towards the suggestion upon realizing I was the one who suggested it. LOL.

It works exactly like gold except you can’t trade it. In any situation where you feel you need to be able to buy something besides raid loot with DKP, add a barter NPC to the game that sells the item for DKP.
EDIT: Better yet, (and don’t hurt yourself on this one) add a barter NPC that sells GOLD in exchange for DKP.

All irrelevant because RMT-DKPers will always view any possible difference between DKP and Gold to be too drastic a loss compared to completely eliminating the ability to cheat.

Because, in reality, you like GDKP because you can cheat.

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Completely incorrect.

I just ignored your idea because I watched you hand wave the elaboration away. Feel free to quote me where I “flipped”. Show where I showed any degree of interest on either side of that topic for that matter prior to you slamming the notion into my face.

Ok bet.

Sorry about that friend hope life gets better for you.

When you want to actually discuss this, I’ll be here, otherwise I’ll just treat you like the NPC you are.

This is you.
This is me.
This is you.
  • At first, you say someone could propose an “incorruptible GDKP” system to me, and I would hate it no matter what.
  • Then you see that I am the one proposing the “incorruptible GDKP” to Xdrain, and Xdrain is the one who hates it.
  • Then you say that I am being vague about the details of the proposal, but one post earlier I was the one who would hate these details no matter what (in your head).
Then I give you the details:
  • And you ignore them.

You have absolutely no idea where you are.

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You word vomitted a vague idea out with no actual elaboration other than “hue hue hue could trade for gold edit”

If your reading comprehension was better you’d understand that I was telling Xdrain that basically no matter what they say you’ll be against it. There is no actual form of gdkp that exists or could exist without you hating it. Your only “solution” is a radical in game blizzard change for Christ sake and you want us to take you seriously.

Yeah the second you edited a quote of me is the second I lost all ability to care about the thoughts and opinions of another NPC. I don’t have respect for the opinions of clowns. Now go honk that big red nose of yours :clown_face: