I'm a 2004 original player... here's my thoughts on GDKP

Ok, but what do you need to RMT for on SOD?

Straight to calling me an RMT’r, very disingenuous aren’t we?

I’m not going to waste my time, going to a pug raid, carrying a bunch of people through a boss fight who still can’t avoid deep breath, and lose a roll to the guy who died standing in one of the most obvious mechanics that has been known for the last 20 years.

So, I just don’t go. I simply won’t go to pugs period. And when the alt well dries up and there’s nobody running the old raids, particularly as AQ and Naxx open up on SoD and people don’t want to spend their time carrying people in MC either nobody will be surprised. It’s already happening.

How about instead of bringing back GDKP’s we add a feature where if you contribute less than a certain % to a boss fight you become ineligible for loot? So that way the 400 dps warrior auto-attacking the boss gets nothing for wasting my time? Hm? Thoughts?

I know that the 3 sentences (above) that you originally responded to is a lot to read, but just give it a shot.

Is every GDKPer just completely schizophrenic or are you actually all alts of the same guy?

And I explained that those pugs are very low quality. Because there’s 0 accountability. Welcome to pugging my guy. Good players simply aren’t going to pugs, or, they are pugging a couple of spots for their guild run.

Actual SR pugs are absolute trash and are the alternative to GDKP’s atm.

I’m not sure what part of this is difficult to understand because it was actually explained further up in the thread or in one of the other 20 GDKP threads made in the last year.

In SoD specifically people are still buying gold, which is weird considering you can make ~60 a day from dailies.

gross, dailies are one of the worst ideas ever brought to wow.

Ok dude, I get it, you hate SR raids, you seethe when people fail mechanics, and especially when you lose a roll. I’m still interested in why people apparently need to RMT in SOD to survive.

Thanks for this, didn’t know. So basically the people saying that SOD failed to remove the burden for swiping are lying.

They did though. Because people still swipe lmao. The RMT guys just have summon bots everywhere, they still bot in the world. Nothing changed.

Except now there’s 0 quality pugs.

GDKP isn’t RMT, the fact you keep equating it as the same as RMT is a massive fallacy since I’ve already read your ignorant responses that somehow the AH isn’t somehow also a massive RMT source.

Actually, it seems like quite a lot has changed.

Flask of the Titans
Whitemane (Horde) - 345g
Crusader Strike (SOD) (Horde) - 18g

Crusader Strike gold is twice as expensive as Whitemane gold, so a flask of the titans is 9.6 times as expensive (cash) on Era as it is in SOD. We’re basically talking 10 times more expensive to consume and raid on era.

The reality is that the cash price is reflective of how hard this amount of gold is to get in-game with real time. The demand for RMT’d gold is literally 10x on Classic Era.

What Xdrain loves so much about GDKP is that RMT whales are feeding her gold so that she can buy massively price inflated consumes - while also pushing every non-Naxx raider off the server because they can’t even afford Elixir of Giants (unless they decide to RMT of course. Then they can join her next Naxx run asap).

She thinks because she doesn’t find need to buy consumes, that there’s no reason to RMT. But the reason she doesn’t need any gold is because others are swiping for gold to spend in the GDKPs that she runs. Basically saying, “because gold buyers give me their gold during raid - I have no reason buy gold.”

SoD market values are messed up because of real chests giving end game mats, flask/elixir mastery producing more potions, and getting extra resources when herb/mining end game resources. I promise you if that didn’t exist it would be just as inflated because of Incursion/Daily gold.

So the unchecked botting that still happens on SoD is only further driving the prices down since people who farm dungeons or crafting mats are also producing far more end game mats than they normally would.

This is totally irrelevant unless you can explain some other SOD mechanic that is costing 10x the amount of gold. This is also all to say nothing of the fact that the RMT is at least removed from effecting the actual raid gear.

Same thing happens on Era. Go to any empty realm and type “/who 60”

That aren’t getting 2-3x the mats per node and then 2-5x the amount of items per craft, you not understanding that isn’t my problem. ALSO, you’re talking about ERA where people have been farming gold for years at this point. Of course prices are inflated. Stop being stupid, jfc.

The gold price is inflated, not the dollar price. That’s what you can’t understand.

If one is so bad that they must buy gold on Era, then yes - I am happy that their gold instantly gets distributed right back to raiders.

Most players on Era just play the game and have plenty of gold (unless they are so greedy to think they can skip straight to naxx on their first toon without progression).

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The market is cheaper on sod because of the bots.

An effectively infinite supply means costs stay cheap.

The gold they get via the AH from these materials are then used for RMT back to players to buy these consumables. Dailies generate gold, sure, but players can only take collecting 10 bear butts a day for some gold every day for so long until they stop and choose to go buy cheap gold anyways.

SOD has more changes than just runes, you know that right?

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There are bots on 2 dozen empty era servers transferring stuff to Whitemane all the time.

Thanks for confirming what I’ve been saying for days. You are pro-RMT as long as you are the one who is benefitting.

For probably the 15th time - We know.

Then there isn’t enough because as you already linked, Titans is a lot more expensive on Whitemane than it is on Crusader Strike.

Want to try again?

I am pro GDKP because it is a good system.

I support banning all gold buyers and sellers.

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Wow you’re telling me a flask that’s a pain to make is more expensive when you don’t get 3 per craft and 5 black lotus each time you pick one?

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Yeah man, it’s such a crazy concept.

Like, when there are more raw materials being generated per player/bot, the consumables they make tend to be cheaper due to the greater supply.

It’s weird how it works like that.

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