Agreed. But with this change, it is no longer a safe assumption that anything that “once was” will be reintroduced again, especially if it is no longer deemed Classic-y enough or fostering whatever make believe “community building” they think is happening.
I already have a job.
I don’t need to spend 1/2 of my playtime cajoling randos to travel to a dungeon entrance.
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Or do a /who and whisper them if they’d like to tank/heal/dps. I got a couple whispers like that on my paladin. Told them she wasn’t really built to be a tank, but I’d do my best. They took me.
You’d like my other topic then.
The problem is tanks have a 3:25 ratio in raids and a 1:5 ratio in dungeons. People were playing tanks early then swapped. If you play tank to run dungeons you wont get a raid spot. LFD helps people fill those roles.
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Yeah i know. I feel the same. Trying not to think about it lmao
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Come to my server and do this. You can still wait for a half hour or more while saying that and not find anyone.
I remember a normal Arc group I was forming before a raid when I was still trying to do that. I had two hours before raid time. Got 2 dps immidently. So moved to LFM tank and healer. Nothing for a half hour. But I keep going as I need an attument I missed.
Eventually we get a tank. So LFM healer. Have summons.
Another half hour passes. I start to get worried that I won’t have time to get the boss I need. I start to break my rule of not paying people and say “Will tip 100g for healer.” Takes another ten minutes to find a healer. I just make it to the boss I need and had to bail early because of my raid.
Other dungeons on Azuresong can form in anywhere from 5 miuntes to over an hour. It dosn’t matter if it’s Ramps or an old world dungeon.
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You see this nonsense?!
Oh my god, what the actual. Big f u to druids in particular? What is he even blabbering on about “the hybrid playstyle”?!
I have no idea!
No one played hybrid specs in Classic, they played what was optimal and ate the respec cost.
No one plays hybrid specs in TBCC, they play what is optimal and eat the respec cost.
The closest POSSIBLE thing to a true hybrid playstyle is an Imp. FF Resto Druid, who does literally nothing different in terms of healing, but can bring the debuffs of a Boomkin for an optimized raid that doesn’t have one.
/headdesk
raider palatank spec goes halfway into ret for sanct aura
i would consider that a hybrid
Is this garbage even going to be worth playing at this rate
LFD didn’t ruin any community. Guilds are community, servers are community. Randoms in LFD never were. If you had a bad one move along. I personally had very few bad experiences with LFD.
Occasionally I would get an undergeared, inexperienced healer while tanking…guess what…I slowed down and let them drink between smaller controlled pulls.
Sometimes I was the undergeared, inexperienced healer…I talked to the tank, and asked them to take it slow.
This is social interaction. Accommodating the groups needs, putting the group success over your personal best chain pulling clear time.
Sometimes I was the decked out full ICC geared fury warrior and the undergeared tank couldn’t hold. If the healer was geared I could fury tank half the mobs for him, if not I’d just slow things down (I ran one memorable heroic Halls of Lightning in the lvl 60 pvp set with nothing but off pieces and weapons just so I would be less likely to rip off the tank and still topped the dps meters. As an experienced tank myself I could guide through pulls and people generally are open to help/advice on that front. I just dealt with that issue last night in a Kara badge run.
Nothing changes in LFD other than the time spent in Dalaran doing nothing… game play Blizzard seem to love to push on us. Other exciting and immersive gameplay experiences include following: flying at 1000 feet using click to move while making a sandwhich, grabbing a coffe while AFK on taxis, and typing 123 for summon before the other party members are even at the opposite faction controlled summoning stone.
Azuresong
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I’m sorry to see that. That is definitely Blizzard’s fault and I really hope they remedy this.
If anything, LFD Server Only with low pop getting linked LFD.
But most importantly, they need to reverse the damage they have caused to server health.
I agree with this. The main reason why I gave up on doing group content is my business takes up to much of my time and I can’t spend the time getting a group off the ground anymore. Or the other scenario hoping to be on the right time and join one. Being in a guild doesn’t exactly solve this as most I have been in don’t like to set up times to do dungeons in advance so my busy schedule gets in the way even then.
I love doing the group content in this game but I have to balance it with my work. I seek out games that I can do it with but it seems like I can do that with classic unless I am doing solo activites. The forming of the group shouldn’t get in the way of my writting and I have decided that it won’t anymore. Because it I think I won’t be able to do any major group content in wrath as well my business is more important than a game.
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Here is the thing about your argument; Dungeon Finder does not prevent you from forming your own group with your friends or guild mates. Think about that for a a bit. You are not being deprived of community, or social experience. You can still choose to play with the people you want to play with in-spite of dungeon finder.
What exactly is the problem with dungeon finder if you can still group up with your friends and guild mates?
Here is my argument.
A. Group making inequality exists. You can view joining a group as an economic feature. There are demands for groups and there is supply of groups. Your ability to find a group depends a lot on any number of factors, but it’s fair to say groups aren’t unlimited. Scarcity for groups exists and group distributions lead to inequalities in group making. This can lead to problems if you want to just play the game and don’t have access to friends, or helpful guild mates.
B. During TBC many servers which previously had healthy populations saw those populations plummet. Why? Because the best way to find groups was to join a larger server. People didn’t want to wait hours looking for that one tank, so the obvious solution was to jump server to a large realm, or simply quit the game.
C. The join a guild argument is a superficial statement that assumes guilds are more altruistic than they actually are. Not all guild mates are helpful or care about your circumstances. Despite being in a large guild it’s perfectly possible you log on and ask for people to run a dungeon with and nobody offers to help. It’s quite common to see your guild mates only play with the same people and ignore everyone else.
D. Join a different guild? Again, guilds aren’t unlimited. Guild Scarcity exists. Many guilds are not worth joining simply because they exist.
E. If you don’t like dungeon finder you can still create a community of people who don’t use it. You can encourage your friends to play with you. You can encourage your guild mates to join you for a dungeon run.
I believe that it is an error of judgement remove dungeon finder from WOTLKC. Blizzard is underestimating the population that appreciates dungeon finder and is unnecessarily trying to distinguish classic games from retail games for marketing strategy.
This marketing strategy will cost blizzard subscribers and all ready has during TBCC. The target audience blizzard is making decisions around would still play the game regardless if dungeon finder was in the game or not. Meanwhile, those casual players who can’t find groups within 30 minutes of logging on? Yeah, they won’t play the game anymore.
It’s a mistake to remove dungeon finder from the game.
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@Delimicus1 @redtuzk @TheWindstalker We are allowing Dual Spec, though possibly with some restrictions on when you can switch it. We’re mildly nervous about the way it disincentivizes hybrid specs, but not enough to cut the feature entirely. We might adjust it, but we haven’t decided for sure. Open to feedback.
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Right, it makes minor sacrifices to get other utility so it can do everything at the same time, not be a weird Feral-Resto hybrid who is crappy at DPS but can gear swap to be crappy at Resto too.
Dual Spec wouldn’t prevent Dreamstate Restos or some of the weirder tri-spec DKs because people will go them anyway since they have an optimized purpose, albeit niche.
If you look at the twitter feed for that lead designer, they’re just happy that some unknown number of goofballs are happy with LFD gone and that’s that.
Precisely. I don’t know what focus group they assembled but my gut says they got all the folks from Classic that ragged on TBCC even coming out as being too Retail-like and got them to chime in.
/headdesk
LFD removal will ensure that this healer won’t be playing wrath.