Why not? You get the versatility of swapping, I get extra power with less flexibility. Seems like win/win to me.
We can. Just let us swap the abilities and soulbinds, but make it so if you swap for player power, you lose out on the cosmetics and/or story quests.
I think my compromise is more fair. We both get what we want there.
so then you concede that locked covenants has nothing to do with the RP elements and everything to do with the numbers?
It has to do with feeling unique as a character. I want to go into battle as a different creature from that of even the same class and spec as I am.
? How does that equate, Power can be and often is a very fun part of the story you are playing. Who wants to play as the weenie farmer that has zero abilities? What type of fantasy is that.
I must have missed when you said that.
I like the system as it is.
You want everything beyond fluff to be swappable.
Your compromise is basically what I wrote above. Everything but fluff is swappable. Not really a compromise.
My compromise allows you to swap but awards power for those who donât want to swap.
Seems pretty win/win to me.
But but, then I will feel like I have to stick to it for the power. Thatâs punishing me.
We live in a world where not getting a reward, is a punishment.
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Balanced does not mean they operate the same. You can have an AoE ability, an ST ability, a Utility, and/or a CD ability. All of which can be different, but have varying strengths in all situations.
Thatâs fine, but donât expect the devs to bend before thereâs a problem. There will always be a FotM and cookie cutter options for all specs, however, like most expansions, those wonât matter unless youâre pushing âcutting-edgeâ content.
So those people that care or that push shouldnât have their say about this because âthey canât balance the gameâ? Why are they even doing it then if it only matters for a small amount of people? Oh yea because balance affect everyone in their daily play. If warlocks do 2x the amount of damage than other class, youâd get pretty upset about it even if you donât push cutting edge content.
So it only matters basicly for some people depending of how high they care about the balance. for some 5% is small, some itâs 10, some itâs 50⊠Everyone care.
So itâs not because people will find out what works most often that they shouldnât balance.
They already donât manage to do this with classes, they wonât manage with covenants. Thereâs a reason why the same classes just are always taken over others. Because while some classes have some different tools, some just shine always better. Multiplying that problem with the amount of covenant is folly.
While the concept could work, covenants are not worth that much hassle. They need to prune the concept and focus on classes.
Covenants are gonna be a problem.
No matter how much people try to pretend itâs not going to be.
This isnât a meaningful choice, is just a lazy attempt to make it seem like blizzard is trying to give players choices.
Probably gonna turn out just as bad, if not worse than azerite was, and then what? Blizzard doesnât make sweeping changes in hot-fix format anymore, they take forever to address systems problems, and even when they do, it doesnât seem to always work out well. Just look at the entirety of the azerite system⊠seriously.
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Probably because of people like Ralph who constantly attack others for daring to look at the meta while they try to improve themselves.
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Iâm choosing what I want.
I hardly ever dungeon, do casual PvP, spend most of my time with my guild, and havenât attempted a Mythic dungeon since Legion.
I have so much fun in this game 
I donât understand why there is so much toxicity being spewed about whether or not you agree with the âripcordâ. Just pick what you want. You pay for this game. Life is too short 
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This threads gone on a long time now. I only skimmed a bit of it, enough to know that I probably donât know what Iâm talking about but thatâs never stopped me before.
I started playing in 2011, my 1st mmo so I was clueless. I did learn that if I wanted to stay alive I had to not only fix my gear but replace it with better.
Thatâs borrowed power.
I also noticed that there were a lot of time sinks in this game BUT I didnât notice that for a long time because this game is so heavily layered and itâs beautiful and you can get lost in it.
So I think I started avoiding the âbring me 20 bear butts heroâ about 6 months in.
All these types of games have this stuff, borrowed power, time sinks, etcâŠ
All the stuff we complain about.
I havenât been on the alpha nor the beta. No one in their right mind would want me to do either of those, either. Itâd just be torture for everyone involved so I canât speak to SLs with any certainty, confidence or direct knowledge except in this one area.
SLs will have time sinks. SLs will have borrowed power. SLs story will be a continuation of BfA, so on.
Thatâs all I know. Iâm willing to give it a try. If I find itâs not for me, Iâll have to think about why that is.
Is it because Iâve played so long Iâm jaded, expecting too much?
Have I lost that sense of immersion I had when I was new? If so, whoâs fault is that? Anyones?
Or does the game just suck now? Did I outgrow it?
I wonât know til I find out and neither will many of you. Possibly all of you.
All we do know is that we can only do our best and hope it works out because most, if not all of us love this game and, Iâm assuming here, we all want it to continue.
Iâll stop now because I probably just repeated the obvious. Covenants, conduits, run through this maze, that maze, etc⊠sometimes I feel like a lab rat whose grown tired of the cheese treat.
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I know what I want. I want my roleplay, cosmetic and aesthetic choices to not be bound to gameplay and power.
The entire premise of your thread is faulty because it operates on the ridiculous assumption that just because you donât know what you want, no one else does either.
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Another thread to save for when this goes live, the crying starts, and I get to point out all the people whining about the meta now are playing the meta in Shadowlands like the good little hypocrites that they are.
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Go for it, but itâs possible what people play is meta simply because they like the looks of it. People be edgy. A lot of people will like Maldraxxis, and Venthyr simply because of that. If those end up being meta, pointing out they are playing the meta would be silly. Now if they was playing nightfae or somethingâŠwe could talk.
can we laugh at this for a second
Ralph is somethin else
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Iâll be back on wow when they open them up. Will be spending my entertainment money elsewhere until then
#pulltheripcord
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