True and true
Aw did I strike a nerve? Sorry but it’s true. Pvp is objectively harder than pve. I’ve done both over almost two decades so I know.
And yes it losing the GV row but that’s because they’re significantly increasing conq cap in TWW to remove some rng that plagues early pvp season.
It’s still an endgame pillar.
If you gonna say something make sure you know all the facts…
Voting s2 for PVP
Cope on it
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Anyone that votes for season 3 definately sits outside the bedroom door listening to their girlfriend get railed by Chad.
Chads vote for season 2.
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that was so out of pocket, holy moly you win
pvpers and pveers that say “x content is easier” are both fundamentally wrong and it hurts. if you put 3 m+ players of mythic raiders in arena they will giga feed actual pvp teams while if you put 5 pvpers in a m+ then the key will be bricked. if you put 20 pvpers in a mythic raid then you’ll get skyline levels of 1000 pulls on gnarlroot
there is no point comparing game modes, they are hard in their own way
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Nah, I just enjoying being contrary with people who spout “x content is harder than y content” garbage. You don’t raid/haven’t raided at anything resembling a competitive level (and, being honest, looking at your history it seems you either find or buy raid carries for AOTC mounts when you want them), you’ve never done keys at a competitive level, and you’ve never been Gladiator in any PvP bracket as others have pointed out. Why shouldn’t I mock your smooth-brain take?
Cool. Didn’t ask, though.
Where’s the GV row for it gonna be? Hmmmmmm?
I’m sorry, I thought not having a GV row meant nothing else about the activity makes it an endgame pillar. So where’s the GV row gonna be next expansion?
Unless you’re telling me that GV row has no bearing on the relevance of content now? You gonna walk that statement back?
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Sounds like something you have first hand experience with, anyone with a brain however does vote for S3 because it’s the best for Ret overall.
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legit one of the best pvpers in the game takes a break to go mythic raid during the races, trill. every top end pvper when a pve item is broken in pvp does mythic raiding successfully. stop. your mechanics in pve are easy as hell and a joke to high end pvpers we just dont enjoy the content and have to be forced to do it. the difference? max cant roll into pvp and pull an R1 title if his life depended on it.
Edit: Vote S2 and report this thread for trying to interfere with the votes.
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You are just full of misinformation and love to try and spread it around, no one is “taking a break” to participate in the RWF, it’s hard, if you think you are so good at the game why don’t you try to go apply to one of the guilds so they can get a good laugh. I bet if you tell them you bought Gladiator a few times they will instantly invite you.
The same exact thing any top end PVE player will do if they need PVP trinkets, go PVP successfully.
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the fact your assuming max is the best pve player tells me everything i need to know
yes i also reported this thread cause its extremely cringe
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cool story bro, i thought i was on ignore and you could only see my posts if someone quoted me what happened?
i didnt say he was the best, he is just a high pver i am aware of. Thanks for reporting this garbage that this new born keeps spewing.
Nothing in this game should be balanced around the whims of PVP players. S3 is the clear answer for Ret Paladins.
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I raided mythic/Heroic/ HM from wrath to WoD.
I choose not to go for glad since I don’t personally desire it enough to put in the time effort for it, but I’ve gotten close before at last minute during the end of season on my 50 win grind. Would have gotten it if I had more time
So yeah I’m qualified.
And at comparable difficulty. PvP is most definitely harder than PvE.
Sure pve has progression and people.need to coordinate and learn boss strats.
But once that learning curve is done, progression turns into farm.
You don’t do that with pvp since again it ain’t scripted, so it’s consistently difficult through the entire season.
How many glad mounts you see compared to mythic end boss achievements?
Yeah I thought so.
Guess you can’t use nuance…
Pvp is taken off of the GV to remove the rng aspect of pvp and in turn increasing conq caps.
It’s still a pillar going forward TWW
But since we’re not in the future…
today the main pillars are raid, m+, and pvp as reflected in the GV.
Too late when they decided to give pvp set bonuses in SL.
Lol yeah no…
Pvpers have better awareness than pvers. Having to manage both personal CDs and enemy CDs and team ate CDs.
Abilities of all specs and how to counter them with your own.
Have proper positioning with teammates to avoid los
Cc chain timing. Cc schools, DRs
Lining up offensive CDs with team dps.
Then for pve All they need is to know the mechanics of a fight and they’re good to go
Try having a pver master everything I said for pvp in 15 minutes
Guarantee you their learning curve will be much wider than a pvper learning a simple boss mechanic that’s on a static timer.
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again both you and jbomb are fighting for something that means nothing. both are hard in their on right adn best players master all 3 games. plenty of rank 1 pvers also do very competitive pvp.
everything you listed is also done in high end wf mythic raiding.
awareness: fyrakk or tindrel swirls hit you your dead
cd management: using your entire kit to ensure the survival and success of your raid team (sac on tanks, blessing of summer, ect ect)
being aware of your abilities and the abilities of 19 other people to properly call out to survive the next intensive overlap of phases
cc: fyrakk ghosts go off its a wipe
communication: managing 20 people is harder than 3 but again bot hare difficult for their own reasons
using offensives cds when you need them most to ensure a phase
thats like s aying for pvp all i need to do is roll to the most broken spec and faceroll like ret did in s1 shadowlands
comparing gamemodes legit means nothing because both are difficult in their own right. stay in your lane and ill stay in mind
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You ignore the fact that pve is scripted and pvp is not.
Pvp is all about adaptability and improv.
Pve is the opposite
The only time you need to improv or adapt in pve is because someone messed up.
Pvp is harder, simple as that.
Thus s2 should be the set for s4 because s3 hurts pvp more than s2 hurts pve
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you are ignoring the fact both are scripted and improv/adaptability. rng swirls, rng mechanics, bad overlaps. there is legit no point comparing both gamemodes. both are as difficult as the other. cope
if your going to be stubborn about this then i can be stubborn to. reroll to the most broken pvp spec in s4
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This is just not true, especially at the lower end, both are extremely easy. I don’t see many Gladiators with CE, and definitely don’t see many R1 players with any HoF achievements. There are some, but you aren’t just gonna hit Gladiator and go roll into CE lol, and the opposite is true, you won’t be a CE raider and walk into Gladiator.
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