If you are not voting for S3 you are just pushing Ret back into the dumpster its trying to crawl out of.
In raid we are currently in a pretty dismal place, however this is not due to any tier set, it’s simply the outcome of horrible scaling and continuous lack of changes to the spec itself. The S3 set is the most DPS available in any tier set in a raid setting.
For M+ it’s not even close, S3 allows us to hit the most targets possible while S2 and 1 had a limit on the possible targets. While Ret has trouble being competitive with the clearly OP classes in M+, DH, BM, etc, it is definitely in a far better spot than raid.
Now in PVP, S2 might be the “best” choice but in doing so you are simply hurting Ret in M+ and raid for a meager amount of damage gained. S2 isn’t some kind of magic that will somehow save Ret from it’s continuous problems in PVP.
Most of all, don’t count on tuning to fix the problems of anything, we have gotten I think one ability change since our rework, multiple poor aura buffs that weren’t even enough to to land us in the middle of the pack.
This post is inflammatory and undermines the philosophy of democratic voting. Any individual can vote for any option they desire without fear of retaliation. Thankfully, the votes are anonymous.
There is also no reason to make a new thread when the initial one is still up.
Overall? S3 is by far the best in M+ there is no competition, and it’s the best in raid, so that’s 2/3, which is overall.
Fun design? What about being forced to cast Hammer of Wrath is a “fun design”?
I didn’t like S3 at first, I thought it would also be awkward to play, but I came to realize I was already playing the awkward way with S2 bonus. S3 does nothing but change priority, where S2 you were forced to use Hammer of Wrath constantly, whether AOE or ST.
How exactly? You say this but give no context. S2 changed nothing mechanically and the damage is comparable.
Lol Ret will be bad with any set in PVP it doesn’t matter, S2 will not suddenly save Ret PVP lol. It’s delusional thinking, Rets problems are far worse than what tier to wear for PVP.
This is a skill problem my guy, not a tier set problem. You can lose Hammer of Wrath casts too when people run behind pillars or far enough away, like for real?
I can just just uno reverse you, this isn’t a reason, and it’s wrong to begin with. Ret will suffer especially in M+, S1 or 2 hard capped on amount of targets they can hit while S3 is not. The same goes for raid, S1 or 2 don’t have the ST capabilities without being buffed into the stratosphere.
Lol you can still spam Hammer of Wrath now. S2 bonus only increases HoW damage by 11k in CURRENT gear, how many do you think you are throwing? Even if you managed to throw 20 of them in one window that’s 200k damage, over 30s, it’s nothing. Do all PVPers struggle with math or what?
You can do the same exact thing you did in S2, now. S2 doesn’t change any functions or design.
It is. That’s why most sets that are bad for pvp but are good for pve are winning. This vote is only close because many people don’t like the playstyle of s3 in pve either.