If you're banning GDKP, what alternative solution are you offering?

[Pepsimonn-crusader-strike]

Whatever truth you want to tell yourself dude.

[Szell-lone-wolf]

@Rosgath-lone-wolf

I’m not going through 1500+ comments to catch up, but the topic was interesting to me and I wanted to reply to OP.

Lol….

This was you first post on the forum

Your first post was the length of an essay on the thread that you didn’t read.

Interesting addition to the topic… OP?

[Pepsimonn-crusader-strike]

Then don’t bring grey parsers! IT’S THAT SIMPLE

[Bergelmir-fairbanks]

@Pepsimonn-crusader-strike

The problem that you made up, about how everyone magically walks away with something from a GDKP, but in a normal raid folks walk away with nothing allegedly all the time.

Thats 1 of them yes, there are 9 other problems GDKP solves.

@Pepsimonn-crusader-strike

Then don’t bring grey parsers! IT’S THAT SIMPLE

Agreed, but thats not even 1 of the problems on my list.

[Bergelmir-fairbanks]

@Pepsimonn-crusader-strike

I don’t understand why you’re constantly assuming that every normal loot rules pug is full of complete idiots, that are both not contributing, and being aholes with the loot.

Im not saying that

@Bergelmir-fairbanks

Even if it is 5% each, that adds up quickly to nearly 50%.

With GDKP it is 0%

[Pepsimonn-crusader-strike]

You just brought up a gray parser winning loot.

[Bergelmir-fairbanks]

@Pepsimonn-crusader-strike

You just brought up a gray parser winning loot

Yes, in response to you saying GDKPers dont earn their loot. Which is a ridiculous statement because no matter how loot is done you must clear the raid.

[Pepsimonn-crusader-strike]

The problem is that you don’t view GDKPs fundamentally as a carry, which they are.

Either way, it doesn’t matter. You don’t want to listen to anyone else.

[Bergelmir-fairbanks]

@Szell-lone-wolf

Lol….

This was you first post on the forum

Your first post was the length of an essay on the thread that you didn’t read.

Interesting addition to the topic… OP?

The number of times I’ve been accused of posting on alts.

Did you see the part where I partially disagreed? Lol

[Radigar-penance-au]

@Bergelmir-fairbanks

but it doesnt speak to anything except your view of me.

Why yes, my opinion is simply my opinion. That’s such an insightful observation.

@Bergelmir-fairbanks

And it doesnt make a case against GDKP.

Except it does because your perverse motivations are directly incentivized by GDKP and we don’t want that in the SOD community.

@Bergelmir-fairbanks

Even if what your think of me is true (its not), why not have both?

Because GDKP infects the entire community with entitlement and seeing all relationships within the game as transactional.

Do you not understand what “toxic” means?

[Bergelmir-fairbanks]

@Pepsimonn-crusader-strike

The problem is that you don’t view GDKPs fundamentally as a carry, which they are.

No, they arent. Simply saying this doesnt make it true. GDKP awards to the highest bidder. Some groups choose to take carries. Carries often dont win bis gear, but they can be used to boost the pot. Many many GDKPs have 0 carries. There are far more grey parsing floor enjoyers in pugs than there are carries in GDKPs.

[Pepsimonn-crusader-strike]

@Bergelmir-fairbanks

Sounds like you’re not a fan of GDKP and thats fine. A few of these happen all the time (walking away with nothing) and a few happen less often, but collecively they happen often enough that I dont enjoy the loot system. Even if it is 5% each, that adds up quickly to nearly 50%.

This is not how statistics work by the way. I’ve had one instance of a ninja loot in all my times pugging on my alt, and that’s definitely nowhere close to 50%.

Just an incredibly disingenuous argument from start to finish.

[Bergelmir-fairbanks]

@Radigar-penance-au

Because GDKP infects the entire community with entitlement and seeing all relationships within the game as transactional.

Do you not understand what “toxic” means?

I disagree. Some of the most engaged communities in the game are GDKP communities. And, these communities are thriving and keeping afloat servers that would otherwise be dead (Era servers)

[Elisande-earthfury]

they are offering a decline in raiding in return. it’s already felt

[Bergelmir-fairbanks]

@Pepsimonn-crusader-strike

This is not how statistics work by the way. I’ve had one instance of a ninja loot in all my times pugging on my alt, and that’s definitely nowhere close to 50%.

Just an incredibly disingenuous argument from start to finish.

It is actually. 5% across 10 unique problems equals a little over 40% chance of any 1 of them happening. I wager the chances on average are higher than 5% but I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt.

[Pepsimonn-crusader-strike]

You’re literally making up the 5% on the spot. Again, that is not how statistics works.

[Bergelmir-fairbanks]

It isnt a science, pick a number then. Whatever that number its greater than 0 and collectively it adds up to a lot. With GDKP it is 0%

[Risen-chaos-bolt]

I’m glad that you’re canceling your four wow subs.

There’s no perfect loot system. That’s part of playing an MMO. The closest to perfect loot system is not GDKP. You can’t reward people who outright buy gold, and that loot system being popular put a lot of pressure on the player base to do so.

Besides GDKP systems kill casual players who can’t grind a ton of gold in hopes of being able to eventually get a really nice item.

Group loot with people only needing on what they actually need is wayyyy better than GDKP for the health of the game

[Pepsimonn-crusader-strike]

According to my numbers GDKPs contribute to 65% of gold buyers, and inflates gold by 52%.

It’s not a perfect science, but those are the numbers that I got to.

[Bergelmir-fairbanks]

@Risen-chaos-bolt

Group loot with people only needing on what they actually need is wayyyy better than GDKP for the health of the game

Not according to how p2 is playing out.

You should give gdkp a try because it works a lot better than how you think of it. It isnt perfect by any means, just better than rolls for all the reasons mention in the OP