Some of them are, yes. Thank you for openly and willfully admitting my point is correct.
Do better.
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RMT is the problem, not GDKP. Thatâs where most people are misinformed.
Sure, people do buy gold to join GKPâs and some groups of people even buy mass amounts of gold to âwashâ in their GKP. But those situations arenât as common as you think. People also buy gold to:
Afford mounts
buy consumes
Respec whenever they want
Twink a character out
The list goes on.
So, Are people who use consumables the problem?
Are people who respec a problem?
Are twinks causing major gold inflation?
or,
Should we find a way to ban bots, And track gold buyers more efficiently?
Letâs avoid attacking strawmen in trying to assert people are misinformed. This is between the two of us, and we are talking about a specific topic, which is whether GDKPs increase the amount of RMT on a server. Keep in mind, banning GDKPs doesnât have to completely eliminate RMT to be effective any more than laws against shoplifting totally eliminate shoplifting for the laws to be effective.
It sounds like you admit GDKPs do increase the RMT happening in a server. So whatâs the issue with banning GDKPs, and striving to reduce the RMT on a server? A battle doesnât constitute an entire war, after all. Perspective is a good thing to have.
the problem with outright Banning GDKPâs is that is a solution for a lot of players.
Look at the replies to this thread, most people see âGDKPâ and think âGroup of players competing with who can buy the most goldâ which is far from the truth.
RMT is the issue, not GDKPâs.
There are many reasons to purchase gold. GDKP is one but not all, and GDKP is something people enjoy doing, OP has provided a list of reasons as to why GDKP is superior for some over other loot rules.
Now the people who were buying mass amounts of gold are just going to use paypal/real money. which is way worse for the community.
So Iâm going to repeat this for you.
âKeep in mind, banning GDKPs doesnât have to completely eliminate RMT to be effective any more than laws against shoplifting have to totally eliminate shoplifting for the laws to be effective.â
The battle against RMT is one that lasts the entirety of the life of an MMO. Acting like this is the one answer being thrown at the issue is odd. As odd as acting as if banning GDKP needs to eliminate all RMT in order for it be effective in reducing the RMT on a server.
So the question boils down to âdoes banning GDKP runs reduce the RMT on a server?â
Does it?
This and people use Wowhead for their list and not the respective discords that are constantly updating.
Do you think an MS>OS would let me get my BiS offhand? The Caster dagger from Kelris, as a DPS warrior?
The answer is NO.
Then thereâs a few answers to your problem:
1 - start a res run for the piece you want.
2 - find a group that runs a different loot system.
Thatâs doubling down and agreeing youâll never EVER find a group thatâll let you roll on that piece. Which you should probably ask before joining. Just so everyone is clear on whether you can roll on it or not.
RMT is not the only issue at play in this discussion.
GDKP is largely a way to make PUGs viable and attractive and the devs want community to be a bigger part of the experience in SOD. They want you to make friends and play with them rather than just grouping up with randos in a GDKP run.
If you look at the justification they gave when announcing this policy, they made that very clear.
You donât have to agree with them on that point to understand that they at least had reasons other than RMT in mind when they decided on this.
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Does removing consumables reduce RMT?
Does removing boosts reduce RMT?
Does removing profession items like Sapper charges reduce RMT?
Does removing mount cost reduce RMT?
The answer to does banning GDKP runs reduce the RMT on a server? is yes
but the answer is also yes for all of the above.
Literally remove gold from the game then?
banning a loot system for thousands of players because a minority of them buy gold is not a solution.
Thank you. So because it does increase the RMT happening on a server, banning them is an action that will, logically, reduce it.
Again, Iâve in no way, shape, or form said this is THE ONLY action thatâs been, or will be, taken. Thatâs not even remotely on topic.
What is in topic, is whether GDKPs increase the RMT on a server. And you admit they do.
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Okay but that is not the point being made.
shut the servers down will reduce RMT too
Sure it is. Iâm not talking about the point you want to make, Iâm talking about the topic.
What do you think the point is?
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That isnât the stated reason for banning GDKP. I think most players legitimately hope and expect the banning of GDKP to reduce RMT, but the stated reasoning for banning them is to increase community engagement. The reduction of RMT is just a bonus.
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Youâre missing the other part of the Blue post about GDKP.
Blizzard has issues with how GDKP effects the social fabric of the game in particular for guilds. They arenât banning it to stop RMT. Theyâre banning it because thatâs not how they want people to play. The RMT aspect is just part of the equation.
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This was a question someone asked in a server discord recently and the response from every person who commented about it is that is a legitimate roll due to how warrior bleed mechanics work in sod.
So yes any ms>os pug leader with a clue will let you roll on that
Yes any raid leader with a clue,
Do you know any?
Woof. Iâm not sure I would be so quick to admit that I would raid under a RL who has no clue what they are doing.
I feel it would say more negative things about me, than them.
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Youâre literally trolling dude.
Are you implying there are no raid leaders in the entire game that would gatekeep items?
Do you think most Raid leaders are going to let a melee weaving hunter take Deadly Strike over a warrior/Ret paladin?
My god you are obtuse
No one implied anything of the sort. At all. Iâm beginning to greatly question your reading comprehension.
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Yes, I am capable of forming social relationships with people so I actually know quite a few, go figure.
In fact I have made so many of these âsocial relationshipsâ i never even really have to fully pug anymore, I just look at like the 4 discords I know that host groups or I run with my guild
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